Ghosts gets bonus attack range when inside a bunker.

doesn't every unit?

And if they did, wouldn't they have the same range as gaurds?

No, only ghosts do.

Yes, every unit does, and yes, they get the same range as guardians, it's a very good strategy.

Haven't you seen how firebats can fire way further from inside a bunker? In fact, I'm pretty sure a firebat in a bunker has as much range as an unupgraded hydralisk.

Firebats have the same range. It's just that bunkers are much larger so it gives the illusion of it.

http://www.battle.net/scc/terran/tbunk.shtml

Third paragraph.

It says marines.

Also Units in bunkers shoot SLIGHTLY (almost unnoticeable) slower.

2nd'd. I think thatd' be very nice. And yeah sorry about the faulty hunter killer info... confused myself for some reason. Just tested myself to make sure. If anyone wants me to, I can at least start making a list, formatting it and such, and we can begin filling in the quirks. Just give the word. We should also leave a mark of verified vs unverified, to be sure... someone can go through and check a few now and then or something. If there's nothing interesting about a hero, we should also say so. And yeah sure, list noobish stuff like nuke strike even (for completeness sake), but last.

What are you waiting for? Do it! Make a nicely formatted table.

I'm not sure how effective this is at measuring unit ranges, but I put a bunker right below a bunch of stacked buildings, each 1 px apart. Ghosts in the bunker killed 275, hero ghosts killed 243, which leads me to believe these are accurate (might be 1 less) since the difference is 32 px (1 square). Typically a ghost's range would be 224 (32*7). That means the range increased 51 pixels. It's probably 50 pixels.

If the range is measured from the center of the bunker, that would mean that the range increases a bit more. I'll run a test on all four sides to see.

Yep, it's measured from the center, but that's just so it has a good circle. With the distance from the center added in, the range of an upgraded marine (normally 5*32=160) was 233 on the sides and 234 on the top/bottom. A net gain of ~ 75 pixels, which is the same for the ghost shooting upward (275+24-224=75).

It's easier just to say that they gain about 1.5 squares.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 2 2008, 4:53 pm by rockz.

The real question is where other units have to hit the bunker. You measure from there, because that's what matters. Does this change anything?

I will start making a list, but I'm not sure how it should be formatted if in a table. For one, I didn't really want a table. I wasn't looking for every possible stat of the hero, but rather random things that are odd for it. I felt sentences would be better. I will give a list in a format I think is suited. If you wish it changed, I will consider, though anyone can make one in that case.

An interesting fact that no one mentioned is that Warbringer can fire scarabs immediately after exiting a shuttle, while the regular Reaver has a bit of cooldown time.

Perhaps a table of all the units would be neat.

I think it would be useful to have this table with stats that can't be changed.
Dimensions, attack range, walking speed, unit number, cooldown, attacks/s, and anything else I forgot.

Heroes (information assumes heroes normally start with all upgrades, normal non-editable stats, costs 0 supply, has a white box, and normal portrait/sayings)
List is ordered by Tech Tree. Do ctrl+f to find a unit name and corresponding heroes.

ZERG

Drone - (doesn't exist)

Overlord - Yggdrasill:

Zergling - Devouring One:

Hydralisk - Hunter Killer:

Lurker - (doesn't exist)

Queen - Matriarch:

Scourge - (doesn't exist)

Mutalisk - Kukulza (Mutalisk):

Guardian - Kukulza (Guardian):

Devourer - (doesn't exist)

Ultralisk - Torrasque:

Defiler - Unclean One:

Infested Kerrigan: [insert general description, weird things like actual attack time, etc]

Infested Duran: (see TERRAN HEROES)

TERRAN

SCV - (doesn't exist)

Marine - Jim Raynor (Marine):

Firebat - Gui Montag:

Ghost - Sarah Kerrigan:

Ghost - Samir Duran:

Ghost - Infested Duran:

Ghost - Alexei Stukov:

Ghost - Gerard Dugalle:

Medic - (doesn't exist)

Vulture - Jim Raynor (Vulture):

Siege Tank - Edmund Duke (Siege Tank):

Siege Tank (Siege Mode) - Edmund Duke (Siege Mode):

Goliath - Alan Schezar:

Wraith - Tom Kazansky:

Dropship - (doesn't exist)

Science Vessel - Magellan:

Valkyrie - (doesn't exist)

Battlecruiser - Norad II:

Battlecruiser - Hyperion:

Battlecruiser - Arcturus Mengsk:

Terran Civilian:

PROTOSS

Probe - (doesn't exist)

Zealot - Fenix:

Dragoon - Fenix:

High Templar - Tassadar:

High Templar - Aldaris:

Dark Templar - Dark Templar (Hero):

Dark Templar - Zeratul:

Dark Templar - Raszagal (Dark Templar): (see Corsair)

Archon - Tassadar/Zeratul:

Dark Archon - (doesn't exist)

Shuttle - (doesn't exist)

Reaver - Warbringer:

Observer - (doesn't exist):

Scout - Mojo:

Scout - Artanis:

Corsair - Raszagal (Dark Templar):

Carrier - Gantrithor:

Arbiter - Danimoth:

General Critter Info:

KEY:
+ verified and thoroughly investigated once
* verified and thoroughly investigated at least twice (2+ ppl), all in agreement, DatEdit used

Example:
+Zergling - Devouring One: Nothing special.
*Hydralisk - Has its own portrait. Cannot morph to Lurker.


That's all I got so far. Any suggestions? Tell me to edit this thing, or you can put it in a wiki or what have you... maybe wait until it's more finished.

Wow, i have never noticed this, but if it is true, it is indeed an interesting fact.

Also, another interesting thing that nobody has mentioned yet (most people probably know it though), that Yggrasill increases underling limit by 30 instead of the 8 of a regular Overlord.

It is, and yggdrasill was mentioned in striker's first post.

I made/filled out some stuff in the wiki.

http://www.staredit.net/wiki/Heroes

I also put in ranks, since that does differ from unit to unit. In one map I've played, a player is given a hero ghost and then other generic ghosts. Well, the "hero" ghost is Samir Duran, and the generic ghosts are Alexei Stukov. Since they have the same graphic and wireframe, it's very difficult to tell them apart, and since Alexei Stukov is rank 22, he will always be selected over Duran, rank 18.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 2 2008, 10:44 pm by rockz.

If you're first assumption was wrong, there's a good chance your second one was also wrong, unless firebats normally have the same range as an unupgraded hydralisk.


Other units attack the center, which I guess makes Echo right in how he said the size of the bunker is what does it, although he said that only for ghosts, which is untrue.

Thanks for taking care of that; you were quite concise and thorough.

If other units had to attack the center, that would mean that units with 0 range couldn't hit the bunker (or other huge buildings). I'll make another test map to see how this works by using flame traps instead of academies.