Is there anything quantitative about time, does it have ANY effect on us... or is it an "artificial" or "manufactured" effect that we illude ourselves with? the second is now officially "backed up" by the radioactive properties of caesium atoms. To put it more scientifically, the international system of units defines the second - [quote]a second is 9,192,631,770 cycles of that radiation which corresponds to the transition between two electron spin energy levels of the ground state of the 133Cs atom.[/quote] You can tag the second with different backups... like... for example a second is three swings of this consistent pendulum.... A second is olmost always backed up by something repetitious in nature. the second is a fraction of an august day from sunrise to sun down... In iowa we count seconds by saying One mississippi, two mississippi, three mississippi... I suppose the more repititious and consistent a system is the more reliable... but equally einstein and newton describe spacetime as a force that effects us all, like gravity. Does it really though? how so if so?

Is there anything quantitative about time, does it have ANY effect on us... or is it an "artificial" or "manufactured" effect that we illude ourselves with? the second is now officially "backed up" by the radioactive properties of caesium atoms. To put it more scientifically, the international system of units defines the second -

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a second is 9,192,631,770 cycles of that radiation which corresponds to the transition between two electron spin energy levels of the ground state of the 133Cs atom.

You can tag the second with different backups... like... for example a second is three swings of this consistent pendulum.... A second is olmost always backed up by something repetitious in nature. the second is a fraction of an august day from sunrise to sun down...
In iowa we count seconds by saying One mississippi, two mississippi, three mississippi... I suppose the more repititious and consistent a system is the more reliable... but equally

einstein and newton describe spacetime as a force that effects us all, like gravity. Does it really though? how so if so?

Well i believe that the second is just a way of quantifying time so that we can use it to our liking. (manufactured in a way). But time is much more complex then that, and in reality still cannot be explained. There are religious, philosophical, and scientific ways of looking at it, but for now it is beyond our comprehension. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

Well i believe that the second is just a way of quantifying time so that we can use it to our liking. (manufactured in a way).

But time is much more complex then that, and in reality still cannot be explained. There are religious, philosophical, and scientific ways of looking at it, but for now it is beyond our comprehension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

[quote=name:SiN]Well i believe that the second is just a way of quantifying time so that we can use it to our liking. (manufactured in a way). But time is much more complex then that, and in reality still cannot be explained. There are religious, philosophical, and scientific ways of looking at it, but for now it is beyond our comprehension. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time[/quote] i read the wiki post before i made mine... but thanks anyway. IS it beyond our comprehension? After referring myself to an encyclopedia im beginning to think that time is just a created conveniance to help us with our day.

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Well i believe that the second is just a way of quantifying time so that we can use it to our liking. (manufactured in a way).

But time is much more complex then that, and in reality still cannot be explained. There are religious, philosophical, and scientific ways of looking at it, but for now it is beyond our comprehension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

i read the wiki post before i made mine... but thanks anyway. IS it beyond our comprehension? After referring myself to an encyclopedia im beginning to think that time is just a created conveniance to help us with our day.

That's all time is >.> Its just to make our lives more "convinient." Try explaining time to someone who as never heard of it -- it would be a conversation to record :P.

That's all time is >.> Its just to make our lives more "convinient." Try explaining time to someone who as never heard of it -- it would be a conversation to record .

I don't understand, are you asking about why time (as a measurement) is used? For which the purpose should be fairly obvious. Trade would be much more difficult without a timing system. Or why time (itself) behaves the way it does? Forward directions, with varying speeds depending on different observers.

I don't understand, are you asking about why time (as a measurement) is used?
For which the purpose should be fairly obvious. Trade would be much more difficult without a timing system.

Or why time (itself) behaves the way it does?
Forward directions, with varying speeds depending on different observers.

They say time doesn't exist in our dimension because we can't measure it, the time we use today is as some of you say, its more convenient, it keeps everything in order. It is indeed an illusion in my account. People attempted to finish Einstein's studies to see whether or not time does exist. They did digital linked clocks from earth and space, and the space time was 3 minutes faster than earth, but I think that can have many possibilities as listed, the amplifications of surroundings can effect the digital clock movements as well as the distance of the clocks that were linked from earth and space. And we know that it is an illusion, [i]not[/i] time itself but the time we [i]measure[/i]. Ever take a nap for 5 minutes and you wake up thinking an hour passed? Ever wonder why some people look a lot younger than others even though their clearly not? As well as why would we need to have daylight saving time to change our time if it was pure natural we wouldn't need to touch it, everyone is like "oh yeah set it a hour earlier, set it a hour later". On my point of view our [i]time[/i] is as [i]Obsolete[/i] as [i]money[/i].

They say time doesn't exist in our dimension because we can't measure it, the time we use today is as some of you say, its more convenient, it keeps everything in order. It is indeed an illusion in my account. People attempted to finish Einstein's studies to see whether or not time does exist. They did digital linked clocks from earth and space, and the space time was 3 minutes faster than earth, but I think that can have many possibilities as listed, the amplifications of surroundings can effect the digital clock movements as well as the distance of the clocks that were linked from earth and space. And we know that it is an illusion, not time itself but the time we measure. Ever take a nap for 5 minutes and you wake up thinking an hour passed? Ever wonder why some people look a lot younger than others even though their clearly not? As well as why would we need to have daylight saving time to change our time if it was pure natural we wouldn't need to touch it, everyone is like "oh yeah set it a hour earlier, set it a hour later". On my point of view our time is as Obsolete as money.

time in space is not faster, and i hope you don't think spacetime is time in space. but hell, it was tl;dr. It doesn't matter whether time is "real" or not, it's simply a unit of measurement, like inches and meters.

time in space is not faster, and i hope you don't think spacetime is time in space.

but hell, it was tl;dr.

It doesn't matter whether time is "real" or not, it's simply a unit of measurement, like inches and meters.

uhh this discussion was about time, not whether or not you yourself think it matters, if it doesn't matter to you then don't make any unnecessary comments. oh and also to top it off, don't jump to conclusions I never said those were the same time, I've just stated what they tested and it was for the purpose if time did exist it would work anywhere.

uhh this discussion was about time, not whether or not you yourself think it matters, if it doesn't matter to you then don't make any unnecessary comments. oh and also to top it off, don't jump to conclusions I never said those were the same time, I've just stated what they tested and it was for the purpose if time did exist it would work anywhere.

I was going to post, but then I realized there is no reason going into a practically philosophical physics debate without the OP containing a real references (citing) for an argument. There are far too many views and implications, and this is pointless if you're simply given a wiki (not OP) that covers everything just a little tiny bit. Quote some books/articles or something, have a clear argument or implication, and then I'll be more motivated to spar. The posts before me prove the issue. This is like swimming through mud. bleh. As for the question in OP... Yes it affects us. It affects us the just like space affects us. What more do you want? it chains together events. You might say it causes everything.... It is the law of causality, in a way.

I was going to post, but then I realized there is no reason going into a practically philosophical physics debate without the OP containing a real references (citing) for an argument. There are far too many views and implications, and this is pointless if you're simply given a wiki (not OP) that covers everything just a little tiny bit. Quote some books/articles or something, have a clear argument or implication, and then I'll be more motivated to spar.

The posts before me prove the issue. This is like swimming through mud. bleh. As for the question in OP... Yes it affects us. It affects us the just like space affects us. What more do you want? it chains together events. You might say it causes everything.... It is the law of causality, in a way.

[quote=name:StrikerX22]I was going to post, but then I realized there is no reason going into a practically philosophical physics debate without the OP containing a real references (citing) for an argument. There are far too many views and implications, and this is pointless if you're simply given a wiki (not OP) that covers everything just a little tiny bit. Quote some books/articles or something, have a clear argument or implication, and then I'll be more motivated to spar. The posts before me prove the issue. This is like swimming through mud. bleh. As for the question in OP... Yes it affects us. It affects us the just like space affects us. What more do you want? it chains together events. You might say it causes everything.... It is the law of causality, in a way.[/quote] Agreed. The first post doesn't provide a precise enough topic. Expanding on what SX22 said, of coarse "it" affects us. "It" being time or our quantifications of time. Cells in our bodies can only split so much. Our cells simply stop splitting. Whether it be genetically programed into them, or they physically cannot split more then x numbers of times, we aren't sure. Once you stop making enough cells, vital organs are on the verge of shutdown. So, in essence, each time your cells split, your body is one split closer to a catastrophic meltdown.

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I was going to post, but then I realized there is no reason going into a practically philosophical physics debate without the OP containing a real references (citing) for an argument. There are far too many views and implications, and this is pointless if you're simply given a wiki (not OP) that covers everything just a little tiny bit. Quote some books/articles or something, have a clear argument or implication, and then I'll be more motivated to spar.

The posts before me prove the issue. This is like swimming through mud. bleh. As for the question in OP... Yes it affects us. It affects us the just like space affects us. What more do you want? it chains together events. You might say it causes everything.... It is the law of causality, in a way.

Agreed. The first post doesn't provide a precise enough topic.

Expanding on what SX22 said, of coarse "it" affects us. "It" being time or our quantifications of time. Cells in our bodies can only split so much. Our cells simply stop splitting. Whether it be genetically programed into them, or they physically cannot split more then x numbers of times, we aren't sure. Once you stop making enough cells, vital organs are on the verge of shutdown. So, in essence, each time your cells split, your body is one split closer to a catastrophic meltdown.

Time is measured using some form of consistent motion. Digital clocks send an electrical current through a quartz crystal, causing it to vibrate. The vibrations are then counted. Analogue clocks rely on the rotation of differing gears in relation to one another. More advanced and accurate clocks, like the Atomic clock, use the microwave signal that electrons emit when they change level. Our [i]perception[/i] of time depends largely on our state of mind and level of focus. On average, our eyes transmit images to our brain at 30 frames a second. However, under stress the rate can be boosted to roughly 60 frames per second, giving the impression of time slowing down. In reality, time is passing at a constant, but our brain is processing events at an accelerated rate.

Time is measured using some form of consistent motion. Digital clocks send an electrical current through a quartz crystal, causing it to vibrate. The vibrations are then counted. Analogue clocks rely on the rotation of differing gears in relation to one another. More advanced and accurate clocks, like the Atomic clock, use the microwave signal that electrons emit when they change level.

Our perception of time depends largely on our state of mind and level of focus. On average, our eyes transmit images to our brain at 30 frames a second. However, under stress the rate can be boosted to roughly 60 frames per second, giving the impression of time slowing down. In reality, time is passing at a constant, but our brain is processing events at an accelerated rate.

[quote=name:Hercanic]Time is measured using some form of consistent motion. Digital clocks send an electrical current through a quartz crystal, causing it to vibrate. The vibrations are then counted. Analogue clocks rely on the rotation of differing gears in relation to one another. More advanced and accurate clocks, like the Atomic clock, use the microwave signal that electrons emit when they change level. Our [i]perception[/i] of time depends largely on our state of mind and level of focus. On average, our eyes transmit images to our brain at 30 frames a second. However, under stress the rate can be boosted to roughly 60 frames per second, giving the impression of time slowing down. In reality, time is passing at a constant, but our brain is processing events at an accelerated rate.[/quote] Is that why when you are like falling to your "seemingly" death, you feel like it takes forever? Good insight, herc.

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Time is measured using some form of consistent motion. Digital clocks send an electrical current through a quartz crystal, causing it to vibrate. The vibrations are then counted. Analogue clocks rely on the rotation of differing gears in relation to one another. More advanced and accurate clocks, like the Atomic clock, use the microwave signal that electrons emit when they change level.

Our perception of time depends largely on our state of mind and level of focus. On average, our eyes transmit images to our brain at 30 frames a second. However, under stress the rate can be boosted to roughly 60 frames per second, giving the impression of time slowing down. In reality, time is passing at a constant, but our brain is processing events at an accelerated rate.

Is that why when you are like falling to your "seemingly" death, you feel like it takes forever? Good insight, herc.

In my opinion, time is an illusion created by Humanity to explain the natural evolutionary process of the Universe. Using seconds is just a way to simplify it down for our minds to comprehend it.

In my opinion, time is an illusion created by Humanity to explain the natural evolutionary process of the Universe.

Using seconds is just a way to simplify it down for our minds to comprehend it.

According to Einstien we can change our movement through time (as shown by the traveling at light, then getting back to find your twin X years older). How exactly do we change our movement through time then? And if we can change our movement through time, couldn't we just start moving backwards? Or even going forwards? If we can change our direction through space, and we can change our movement in time, then what's the correlation between the 2? Or do I just have something totally wrong here?

According to Einstien we can change our movement through time (as shown by the traveling at light, then getting back to find your twin X years older). How exactly do we change our movement through time then? And if we can change our movement through time, couldn't we just start moving backwards? Or even going forwards?
If we can change our direction through space, and we can change our movement in time, then what's the correlation between the 2?

Or do I just have something totally wrong here?

It's been a while, but I've been thinking about the entire concept of time in general. We all know that we move forward in time, and that to gather enough energy to move backwards is considered impossible. But what about sideways? Would it be possible? What would happen if we could? I think that this could be a very important part of life, if we could figure it out...

It's been a while, but I've been thinking about the entire concept of time in general.
We all know that we move forward in time, and that to gather enough energy to move backwards is considered impossible.

But what about sideways? Would it be possible? What would happen if we could?
I think that this could be a very important part of life, if we could figure it out...

[quote=name:GameLoader1337]uhh this discussion was about time, not whether or not you yourself think it matters, if it doesn't matter to you then don't make any unnecessary comments. oh and also to top it off, don't jump to conclusions I never said those were the same time, I've just stated what they tested and it was for the purpose if time did exist it would work anywhere.[/quote] This discussion is purely philosophical, so opinion is the only thing that matters, and: 1. it was not an unnecessary statement. 2. i was simply correcting you [b]if[/b] you were thinking that. 3. anon proved that time = lol.

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uhh this discussion was about time, not whether or not you yourself think it matters, if it doesn't matter to you then don't make any unnecessary comments. oh and also to top it off, don't jump to conclusions I never said those were the same time, I've just stated what they tested and it was for the purpose if time did exist it would work anywhere.

This discussion is purely philosophical, so opinion is the only thing that matters, and:
1. it was not an unnecessary statement.
2. i was simply correcting you if you were thinking that.
3. anon proved that time = lol.

Time is marching on. And time... … … … Is still marching on. That is all I got on that.

Time is marching on.
And time...
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Is still marching on.

That is all I got on that.

Very insightful. But what if time isn't marching on? What if it was meandering, or stumbling. It could even be jogging.

Very insightful.
But what if time isn't marching on? What if it was meandering, or stumbling. It could even be jogging.

[quote=name:New-Guy]Very insightful. But what if time isn't marching on? What if it was meandering, or stumbling. It could even be jogging.[/quote] Well, by "marching" I basically mean that time is in a constant motion. It never stops. To be truthful, I was quoting the song [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1j6k1hxfcA][i]Older[/i][/url] by They Might Be Giants.

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Very insightful.
But what if time isn't marching on? What if it was meandering, or stumbling. It could even be jogging.

Well, by "marching" I basically mean that time is in a constant motion. It never stops.
To be truthful, I was quoting the song Older by They Might Be Giants.

Time is undoubtedly real. If I were to ask you to meet me somewhere, we would be utterly lost without some reference to time. If you have school at 8 am, and show up at 9 am, you are late. Now in regards to whether it is illusion or not, the answer can be reached if you accept the normal conventions that we exist, and have knowledge of our surroundings and don't dispute the otherwise trivial facts by which we live. The real phenomenon, according to einstein, is not whether or not time exists, but how it interacts with reality. Also, you said [quote]einstein and newton describe spacetime as a force that effects us all, like gravity. Does it really though? how so if so?[/quote] Oddly enough, it is gravity that affects spacetime :D Here's a good example of how time affects things First, imagine a rocket ship with a man inside sitting down, moving very fast in one direction, close to the speed of light. Unfortunately, our fellow needs to turn around (he couldn't use google earth to get where he was going and as such took a wrong turn), so he turns on its big ol' rocket thrusters (with a constant thrust of course and enough fuel to last a very very long time) and starts to slow down and go the other way (imagine this on a single line, 1 dimension). Since the speed of light is the speed limit of sorts of our universe, our rocket is never quite going to reach it, but the important part here is it's going to move on a hyperbola, which never reaches the speed of light. So what do we have here? The object wth a constant acceleration moves on a hyperbola. Now consider a person sitting on the surface of a planet. He, while sitting down on a chair on a planet will feel the exact same force on his bum that an astronaut in our rocket ship would feel while his ship is turning around. Now, consider our second fellow sitting on the planet. He happens to have a small box with a third tiny fellow inside, which he then throws up in the air (straight up, 1 dimension) for the purposes of scientific experiment, despite the inherent danger to the tiny fellow in the box. Now, it makes sense that the box is going to go up, then come down on a parabola. You know, Y = VoT- )1/2)gT². Standard Newtonian equation for motion in one dimension. Now, why do we have three fellows here and how do they relate to time? The first fellow is just to show a similarity to the second fellow, and a difference to the third fellow. If each fellow were to hold onto an accelerometer, the first two would show a reading, and the tiny third fellow (excepting the instant he was actually thrown) would not. (If this seems wrong to you, consider if the tiny fellow in the box just magically appeared and started falling, his accelerometer wouldnt show a reading because it's moving with him). Now, the fellow in the rocket ship, and similarly, the fellow on the chair on the planet are moving on a hyperbola with respect to spacetime because they are accelerated. The third tiny fellow is not accelerated. If we take the fellow in the chair and the tiny fellow (the rocketman served his purpose of relation already) and examine them, we find that the fellow in the chair sees the tiny fellow moving on a parabola and the tiny fellow sees the man in the chair moving on a hyperbola. How can this be? It is because their times are different. So gravity has an effect on time as well. Since we have mass, we have gravity, and can actually affect time :) Not only does time affect us, but we affect time.. So yes, there is a quantitative effect to time. It's sort of like adding vectors: you have to account for gravity and the speed of light and the reference frame and if you mix them all together the right way you get the resultant vector time.

Time is undoubtedly real. If I were to ask you to meet me somewhere, we would be utterly lost without some reference to time. If you have school at 8 am, and show up at 9 am, you are late. Now in regards to whether it is illusion or not, the answer can be reached if you accept the normal conventions that we exist, and have knowledge of our surroundings and don't dispute the otherwise trivial facts by which we live.

The real phenomenon, according to einstein, is not whether or not time exists, but how it interacts with reality. Also, you said

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einstein and newton describe spacetime as a force that effects us all, like gravity. Does it really though? how so if so?

Oddly enough, it is gravity that affects spacetime
Here's a good example of how time affects things


First, imagine a rocket ship with a man inside sitting down, moving very fast in one direction, close to the speed of light. Unfortunately, our fellow needs to turn around (he couldn't use google earth to get where he was going and as such took a wrong turn), so he turns on its big ol' rocket thrusters (with a constant thrust of course and enough fuel to last a very very long time) and starts to slow down and go the other way (imagine this on a single line, 1 dimension). Since the speed of light is the speed limit of sorts of our universe, our rocket is never quite going to reach it, but the important part here is it's going to move on a hyperbola, which never reaches the speed of light. So what do we have here? The object wth a constant acceleration moves on a hyperbola. Now consider a person sitting on the surface of a planet. He, while sitting down on a chair on a planet will feel the exact same force on his bum that an astronaut in our rocket ship would feel while his ship is turning around. Now, consider our second fellow sitting on the planet. He happens to have a small box with a third tiny fellow inside, which he then throws up in the air (straight up, 1 dimension) for the purposes of scientific experiment, despite the inherent danger to the tiny fellow in the box. Now, it makes sense that the box is going to go up, then come down on a parabola. You know, Y = VoT- )1/2)gT². Standard Newtonian equation for motion in one dimension. Now, why do we have three fellows here and how do they relate to time? The first fellow is just to show a similarity to the second fellow, and a difference to the third fellow. If each fellow were to hold onto an accelerometer, the first two would show a reading, and the tiny third fellow (excepting the instant he was actually thrown) would not. (If this seems wrong to you, consider if the tiny fellow in the box just magically appeared and started falling, his accelerometer wouldnt show a reading because it's moving with him). Now, the fellow in the rocket ship, and similarly, the fellow on the chair on the planet are moving on a hyperbola with respect to spacetime because they are accelerated. The third tiny fellow is not accelerated. If we take the fellow in the chair and the tiny fellow (the rocketman served his purpose of relation already) and examine them, we find that the fellow in the chair sees the tiny fellow moving on a parabola and the tiny fellow sees the man in the chair moving on a hyperbola. How can this be? It is because their times are different. So gravity has an effect on time as well. Since we have mass, we have gravity, and can actually affect time Not only does time affect us, but we affect time.. So yes, there is a quantitative effect to time. It's sort of like adding vectors: you have to account for gravity and the speed of light and the reference frame and if you mix them all together the right way you get the resultant vector time.