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The right to vote.
Aug 3 2008, 5:30 am
By: BeeR_KeG  

Aug 3 2008, 5:30 am BeeR_KeG Post #1



Quote from Wikipedia
Adult citizens of the United States who are residents of one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia may not be restrained from voting for a variety of protected reasons, stated in the aforementioned 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th Amendments.

To put this in better words:

Any legal citizen of the United States of America over the age of 18 and who is a resident of either one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia has the right to vote.

It's pretty simple. Convicts can vote (except in some states). Overseas military personnel can vote. Pretty much everyone over the age of 18 can vote. Anything wrong? Yes.

You have about 4 million American Citizens who are denied the right to vote simply because they are not residents of one of the 50 states of the District of Columbia. They have the same rights as each and every other person, they serve in the military just like every other person, we pay the same taxes but why can't they put an X on a ballot besides our candidate of choice? Because on the map it says Puerto Rico (United States of America).

A lot of people may think otherwise, but the only difference between a state and this small island is that we have our own National teams and only 1 representative in Congress. They cannot do any trade or treaties beyond borders and neither can any state. They can only be made by the Federal government. We have to pay Federal taxes (we do so indirectly by US Customs). They still have to put our flag besides the US flag. Their soldiers fight alongside soldiers from all over the country, yet no vote. The very same Federal laws that apply to every state apply to Puerto Rico.

So, can we put an X on a piece of paper? Because on foreign soil, our passports are no different from yours.



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Aug 3 2008, 5:38 am InsolubleFluff Post #2



I have not had much problems with Americans until recently.
I find that on video games (17+, so I don't care how young they are, the rating is 17+ it's not my fault they're on there, it's their parents) Americans are loud and abnoxious and when you tell them to be quiet, or even if you ask them politely, they will flip out. Not only that, I find that a lot of the accents are stupid and just further more stupify their speach.
Now I understand that the majority of SEN people are actually good Americans, that dont do stuff like that, but I assume that most of you can understand where i'm coming from, Americans (for the most part) lack any logic beyond patriotic rights, then when the Government changes something that goes against what you're standing for, you protest it and eventually if the Government doesn't crack, you do, and it becomes socially acceptable all of a sudden.

I think that EVERYONE in America should have the right, and if what you say is true, then I think you guys should have equal rights.

I personally disbelieve in putting up a Canadian flag next to a british flag, you Americans (that includes Canadians) have too much faith in the flag...



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Aug 3 2008, 5:40 am DT_Battlekruser Post #3



Unless I'm mistaken, statehood for Puerto Rico would be easier to achieve if it were more unanimously supported by Puerto Ricans. I think the biggest problem today in resolving the problem is that few people agree on how to do it.

But yes, it is certainly a problem. One of the last leftover issues from the first age of American Imperialism (1840-1912).




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Aug 3 2008, 6:18 am WoAHorde Post #4



Guam, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands should be given electoral college clout, even if they bs their represenatives/senators like they did with DC. I think it's a step forward that the Democrats included them all in the primary, and if/when these territories get the right to vote, I see them voting exclusively Democrat, which is probably a reason to why the Republicans are so dodgy on this issue.



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Aug 3 2008, 7:44 am Hercanic Post #5

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Shocko, beware of generalizing when you can only pull from a limited sample group. In online play, you might meet several hundred teenage male Americans. That does not represent the some 300+ million people of various ages, gender, income class, ethnicity, culture, and beliefs who compose America.

300,000,000
versus 500 people you might meet in online games.
= 0.00017% of the population of America that you've experienced to draw judgment on.

Plus, you also have to factor in the environment. Online gaming is competitive. Look at the Soccer riots across the world to see how universally human being a dick is when it comes to competition.




Aug 3 2008, 2:38 pm InsolubleFluff Post #6



I was fully aware that it's just a sample population, and I haven't had any problems until now, I just think that almost every American I seem to meet has some kind of Attitude problem or fucked up logic.



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Aug 3 2008, 10:18 pm Zombiechao Post #7



Thats probably just humanity in general or it may be you who are the problem (its probably not).



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Aug 4 2008, 6:12 pm ClansAreForGays Post #8



Quote from name:Shocko
I was fully aware that it's just a sample population, and I haven't had any problems until now, I just think that almost every American I seem to meet has some kind of Attitude problem or fucked up logic. is 15
*fixed

If I only had contact with 15 yr old Canadians I'm sure I'd have negative opinions on them as well.




Aug 4 2008, 11:12 pm CaptainWill Post #9



The words "No taxation without representation" seem eerily relevant here. I guess America doesn't rank islands too highly on the criteria for becoming a state (with the notable exception of Hawaii). I also think it likely that a lot of mainland Americans feel no bond with Puerto Ricans, and regard them as "Hispanics". There are some similar issues in Britain with the countries making up the union (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) beginning to regard themselves as distinct, but British Overseas Territories (Falklands, Gibraltar, St. Helena, Cayman Is., Pitcairn (pop. 57 lol)) feel a great deal of loyalty to the Crown. I guess the difference is that though Puerto Rico is taxed, British territories are not.



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Aug 5 2008, 1:06 am Rantent Post #10



The only power now is lobbying. :(



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Aug 5 2008, 2:56 am WoAHorde Post #11



Quote from CaptainWill
The words "No taxation without representation" seem eerily relevant here. I guess America doesn't rank islands too highly on the criteria for becoming a state (with the notable exception of Hawaii). I also think it likely that a lot of mainland Americans feel no bond with Puerto Ricans, and regard them as "Hispanics". There are some similar issues in Britain with the countries making up the union (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) beginning to regard themselves as distinct, but British Overseas Territories (Falklands, Gibraltar, St. Helena, Cayman Is., Pitcairn (pop. 57 lol)) feel a great deal of loyalty to the Crown. I guess the difference is that though Puerto Rico is taxed, British territories are not.

Washington D.C. has a similar problem. They are taxed, but their representative they send has no voting rights and they have no say in the Senate. There license plates say "No taxation without representation."



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