What's worse? Two wasted miners or one wasted depot?

What's worse? Two wasted miners or one wasted depot?

Depends on where you are in the game :P

Depends on where you are in the game

blocking your ramp is stupid because you can't fe... it also gives you a tendency to turtle.

blocking your ramp is stupid because you can't fe...
it also gives you a tendency to turtle.

I don't know what fe means, but you can move the barracks once you're ready to expand. It's only a very early game strategy. Also, wasting SCVs is worse. If you use two at a ramp, seven harvests for each is the mineral equivalent of a depot.

I don't know what fe means, but you can move the barracks once you're ready to expand. It's only a very early game strategy.

Also, wasting SCVs is worse. If you use two at a ramp, seven harvests for each is the mineral equivalent of a depot.

We use SCVs because SCV is a non combatant unit. Zerglings tend to not attack SCVs while marines are behind it. You mostlikely wont lose a SCV. And you'll mostlikely survive. It's a common method used by pros and semi pros alike to block cheese. If your opponent is noob enough to rush lings too fast such as 5 pool, you will be able to kill it off just with a few scvs.

We use SCVs because SCV is a non combatant unit. Zerglings tend to not attack SCVs while marines are behind it. You mostlikely wont lose a SCV. And you'll mostlikely survive. It's a common method used by pros and semi pros alike to block cheese. If your opponent is noob enough to rush lings too fast such as 5 pool, you will be able to kill it off just with a few scvs.

Melee units also tend not to attack buildings in the presence of marines. Even if the enemy focus fires, the marines will eat them up.

Melee units also tend not to attack buildings in the presence of marines. Even if the enemy focus fires, the marines will eat them up.

Why do you insist a better strategy to a inferior one? It's been countlessly proven in many many games. Lings can get through buildings. And if those zergs do 5 pool, it tends to be able to come at a time when your barracks is not done yet. Workers can only advantageously attack at a good distance with minerals because they stack when they mine. You're going to get everything killed and lose with that strategy. A close build formation and small efforts are better with zergling rushes. Maybe we can meet up and practice some real melee.

Why do you insist a better strategy to a inferior one? It's been countlessly proven in many many games. Lings can get through buildings. And if those zergs do 5 pool, it tends to be able to come at a time when your barracks is not done yet. Workers can only advantageously attack at a good distance with minerals because they stack when they mine. You're going to get everything killed and lose with that strategy. A close build formation and small efforts are better with zergling rushes.
Maybe we can meet up and practice some real melee.

All your previous comments seemed to assume that marines were already available. If you're worried about not having marines, then obviously that would be a pointless strategy. So then, what exactly do I do? Build tight formation? Send guards to the entrance?

All your previous comments seemed to assume that marines were already available. If you're worried about not having marines, then obviously that would be a pointless strategy.

So then, what exactly do I do? Build tight formation? Send guards to the entrance?

[quote=frazz]All your previous comments seemed to assume that marines were already available. If you're worried about not having marines, then obviously that would be a pointless strategy. So then, what exactly do I do? Build tight formation? Send guards to the entrance?[/quote] [color=#1af]I think he's saying for like a 9 pool you do the marine blocking entrance strat, while for a 4-5 pool you're going to have to use workers to fend off the lings.[/color]

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All your previous comments seemed to assume that marines were already available. If you're worried about not having marines, then obviously that would be a pointless strategy.

So then, what exactly do I do? Build tight formation? Send guards to the entrance?

I think he's saying for like a 9 pool you do the marine blocking entrance strat, while for a 4-5 pool you're going to have to use workers to fend off the lings.

That makes very much sense.

That makes very much sense.

If the opponent 9 pools, you wouldn't even have to block your entrance. You would have 4 marines by the time he comes, ( If you do it right ), and have 5th rine almost complete. 4-5 rines beat zerglings fairly easily.

If the opponent 9 pools, you wouldn't even have to block your entrance. You would have 4 marines by the time he comes, ( If you do it right ), and have 5th rine almost complete.

4-5 rines beat zerglings fairly easily.

FE=Fast Expo

FE=Fast Expo

Send an SCV to scout. If you see lings coming and you don't have enough marines to defend it, send SCVs to form a wall infront of the marines, preferably at a choke point, but if you have good micro you'll still be okay even if you don't have a choke. If you think it's necessary, start a bunker ASAP near your mineral line when you see the lings, and you'll be okay. Chances are you're just really horrible (the term is relative, don't worry; I'm sure you're pro compared to some people) at SC, and he didn't even ling rush you. It was probably like 12 hatch 11 pool. I had friends who only played on fastest, so whenever I'd play with them in a team game vs random pubbies on B.net, I'd usually do a hatch then pool build and be accused of hacking every time (or being a no-skill rusher), even though the lings are frankly much slower than they could have been.

Send an SCV to scout. If you see lings coming and you don't have enough marines to defend it, send SCVs to form a wall infront of the marines, preferably at a choke point, but if you have good micro you'll still be okay even if you don't have a choke. If you think it's necessary, start a bunker ASAP near your mineral line when you see the lings, and you'll be okay.

Chances are you're just really horrible (the term is relative, don't worry; I'm sure you're pro compared to some people) at SC, and he didn't even ling rush you. It was probably like 12 hatch 11 pool. I had friends who only played on fastest, so whenever I'd play with them in a team game vs random pubbies on B.net, I'd usually do a hatch then pool build and be accused of hacking every time (or being a no-skill rusher), even though the lings are frankly much slower than they could have been.

In StarCraft II, set those SCVs by the bunkers with right clicking repair, which would auto-repair.

In StarCraft II, set those SCVs by the bunkers with right clicking repair, which would auto-repair.

I am going to assume there will be more strategies for Terrans to go against Zerg. I would have preferred Science Vessels though.

I am going to assume there will be more strategies for Terrans to go against Zerg. I would have preferred Science Vessels though.

http://www.staredit.net/?p=tutorials&tut=11

http://www.staredit.net/?p=tutorials&tut=11

I've read this. :P It's a good one by DaZe (not me) o.o;; my favorite semi-pro :P But this tutorial assumes you have a decent micro and an already strong macro.

I've read this. It's a good one by DaZe (not me) o.o;; my favorite semi-pro
But this tutorial assumes you have a decent micro and an already strong macro.

[QUOTE]Chances are you're just really horrible (the term is relative, don't worry; I'm sure you're pro compared to some people) at SC, and he didn't even ling rush you. It was probably like 12 hatch 11 pool. I had friends who only played on fastest, so whenever I'd play with them in a team game vs random pubbies on B.net, I'd usually do a hatch then pool build and be accused of hacking every time (or being a no-skill rusher), even though the lings are frankly much slower than they could have been.[/QUOTE] I am not a fastest noob, you are far too presumptuous.

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Chances are you're just really horrible (the term is relative, don't worry; I'm sure you're pro compared to some people) at SC, and he didn't even ling rush you. It was probably like 12 hatch 11 pool. I had friends who only played on fastest, so whenever I'd play with them in a team game vs random pubbies on B.net, I'd usually do a hatch then pool build and be accused of hacking every time (or being a no-skill rusher), even though the lings are frankly much slower than they could have been.

I am not a fastest noob, you are far too presumptuous.

you don't have to play fastest to be bad at melee (not saying that i'm good; i actually suck)

you don't have to play fastest to be bad at melee
(not saying that i'm good; i actually suck)

But getting killed by zergling rushes... is really horrible- and we can only assume you are a noob.

But getting killed by zergling rushes... is really horrible- and we can only assume you are a noob.