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DevliN's Mafia: Battlestar Galactica 2.0
Nov 16 2012, 7:24 pm
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Dec 1 2012, 4:16 am Roy Post #201

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

No, because Teemo is an NPC character and therefore inherently not a clue.

Basically: if it was mentioned in the intro post, it's not a clue. "Teemo" is not a clue. "Frak" is not a clue. References to Battlestar Galactica are not clues.

The clue you're referencing was made partially based on Observer's avatar at the time, not entirely on his name. I doubt Devlin would recycle the clue for one thing, and it's even less consistent now than it was back then. So I don't think it's a clue.




Dec 1 2012, 4:46 am payne Post #202

:payne:

:(

I at least tried.



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Dec 1 2012, 8:01 am DevliN Post #203

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CREW LOG \\ DEVLIN \\ 120112 \\ "Night 2" Transcript

<Transcript begins mid-interview>

<Recording start>

[TC 05:27:06;18]
Well yeah. [Laughing] Of course I went to the bar again. If I was going to find those Cylon bastards myself, I might as well start at the local watering hole. It was just like the prior evening for the most part. We had heard that three people were killed on Galactica, but no deaths on our ship until that point. Maybe we were just overly optimistic. Maybe we jinxed it.

I saw a bunch of the same faces. She was there again that night. The woman from earlier, looking better than ever. Some sap was drooling all over her, buying her drinks all night. He seemed to lose track of time after a while. I don't blame him. I wonder if he got lucky? Probably not. What a sucker.

You know come to think of it, there was one guy in the corner of the room drenched in sweat. He looked scared as he was tightening his vest. [Laughing] As if someone would outright shoot him in such a public place, right? I shouldn't joke. That's harsh of me, especially with what happened.

[TC 05:29:14;02]
INTERVIEWER:
What happened?

[TC 05:29:35;23]
[Sighs] I, uh, remember seeing that same guy talking to someone else earlier that day. At the tribunal. Someone who didn't make it. Maybe that's why he was sweating? I don't know.

[TC 05:30:57;11]
INTERVIEWER:
Who was he talking to? The first victim?

[TC 05:31:10;21]
Yeah, I think his name was LoTu)S. He seemed nice. Quiet, kept to himself, I guess. I didn't really know much about him. I'd see him occasionally mumbling to himself, but never managed to really talk to him before.

[TC 05:32:00;28]
INTERVIEWER:
What about the other victim?

[TC 05:32:07;02]
Right, yeah. I remember seeing lil-Inferno that night, too. I asked him how he was doing, and he just said he was in a hurry and couldn't talk. I later read in the report that when he was found, his hand was positioned in such a way that he was holding something when he was killed. I gather whatever he was holding was taken by whoever killed him.

You guys mind if we take a break for a bit?

<Recording end>

Transcribed by 0408121406

CREW LOG \\ [REDACTED] \\ 113012 \\ "Night 2" Declassified

I looked out at the stars tonight. I dreamt of flying through the sun, feeling that energy, feeling so alive. Can machines even dream? I dreamed a dream, so rare, so sweet a dream. Sometimes I feel as if we are, in fact, more alive. Who are they to decide that we can't feel, that we can't love? I feel more than these humans can comprehend. I feel anger.

- ██████


Day 2 begins now. Voting ends tonight [Saturday] at 11:59 PM (Pacific Standard Time).

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 11 2012, 7:54 am by DevliN.



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Dec 1 2012, 8:29 am Aristocrat Post #204



Dammit LoTu)S, why'd you go and die on me?!

It does appear that roles aren't revealed on death either, which is a pain.

I had a Shoutbox conversation with Roy earlier, within which we discussed the possibility of there being two vigilantes. The chance, while miniscule, is nonzero, and I reasoned that as dumb as Dem0nS1ayer may be, he's not typically ballsy enough to fakeclaim a vig without killing him first, decreasing its relative probability. So here's the breakdown of probabilities:
  • Dem0n is mafia, and somehow gained titanium balls and decided to fakeclaim. I thought this was likely, so I openly threatened to kill Dem0nS1ayer and made it a point to disregard his threats of using Paranoia. I reasoned that if he was really their hitman, I would be seduced by the Cylon seductress in their attempt to save Dem0n. This did not happen, so either the cylons are AFK, really disorganized, or Dem0n is a vigilante.
  • Now that the likelihood of Dem0n being vigilante is increased, this puts the total at two vigilantes. For the sake of balance I highly doubt DevliN would have them both be town, meaning there is one traitor and one legitimate vigilante. All that needs to happen is for the scientist to test one of us to find out who the traitor is.

Without the testing being done though, I'm going to ask Dem0n to keep using Paranoia every single day. This way if you are the traitor, and the cylon try to unlock you, two of them die simultaneously. You will get a raw deal if that was true, but it ensures that the town's best interests will be served. I will do the same, unless the town needs me to kill somebody, in which case I will do so. (And if they don't die, the town will know that I'm a cylon traitor who has awakened). I'm not letting you send in hits because you cannot be guaranteed to follow instructions from superiors.

EDIT> Gee, thanks, Inferno, for claiming scientist after dying. We needed your results yesterday, but you stayed quiet and kept your results to yourself for absolutely no reason other than to fuck the town over.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 1 2012, 8:45 am by Aristocrat.



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Dec 1 2012, 8:47 am poison_us Post #205

Back* from the grave

Will be changing my avatar and title shortly.
Old avatar:


Old title: "You know you wanna touch it..."

New avatar (is animated .png. If you're too lazy to use one of many methods of viewing apng, it's similar to this but smaller, stupid filesize restrictions):


New title: "Level 100 Necromancer"


Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 1 2012, 8:58 am by poison_us.




Dec 1 2012, 11:39 am Dem0n Post #206

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Inferno tested Stacy Keibler on Night 1 and found out that s(he) was a normal townie. He told me his results after Night 1.



Memes gather, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the memer on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of memes. I pledge my life and honor to the Meme's Watch, for this meme and all the memes to come.

Dec 1 2012, 2:20 pm Fire_Kame Post #207

a left leaning coexistence nut

Imo lil was a bit random for the first hit unless he told a member of mafia that he was a scientist. Who else knew he was a scientist, and can anyone verify he did in fact visit stacey that first night?




Dec 1 2012, 2:58 pm NudeRaider Post #208

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

demon knew. :P




Dec 1 2012, 3:04 pm Fire_Kame Post #209

a left leaning coexistence nut

Quote from NudeRaider
demon knew. :P
Considering I am very skeptical of demon already, I don't trust his testimony.




Dec 1 2012, 4:13 pm Dem0n Post #210

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You could ask Stacy Keibler to verify lil's results.



Memes gather, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the memer on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of memes. I pledge my life and honor to the Meme's Watch, for this meme and all the memes to come.

Dec 1 2012, 6:08 pm Aristocrat Post #211



Quote from Dem0n
You could ask Stacy Keibler to verify lil's results.
This doesn't actually verify anything. Consider:
  1. Inferno is town, Vrael is town. Even if he has no knowledge of being visited night 1, Vrael will "confirm" Inferno's results.
  2. Inferno is mafia, Vrael is town. Inferno says this to gain Vrael's trust and hopefully wring a role out of him, Vrael will confirm Inferno's results to feel safer.
  3. Inferno is mafia, Vrael is mafia. Inferno says he tested Vrael night 1 to be clean. Vrael will "verify" that he's a townie.
  4. Inferno is town, Vrael is mafia. Inferno tests Vrael night 1 to be clean (due to mole tampering). Vrael will also "verify" that he's a townie.
No matter what the alignments of Vrael and Inferno are, Vrael will always say that he's a townie. So this "verifying" bullshit does nothing.

The reason Inferno died was because he failed to claim his absurdly powerful role when we asked him to, intentionally depriving the town of useful information. With claims from many other people and a refusal to cooperate from Inferno, he was a logical next target. This is what you get for not cooperating with the town; if you have a power role but have not yet claimed to Roy or me, claim now, or you risk ending up like Inferno when the town reaches the process of elimination stage.



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Dec 1 2012, 6:43 pm poison_us Post #212

Back* from the grave

I vote Aristocrat.




Dec 1 2012, 7:00 pm rayNimagi Post #213



Quote from poison_us
I vote Aristocrat.
... why...?



Win by luck, lose by skill.

Dec 1 2012, 8:13 pm Roy Post #214

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

Quote from DevliN
You know come to think of it, there was one guy in the corner of the room drenched in sweat. He looked scared as he was tightening his vest. [Laughing] As if someone would outright shoot him in such a public place, right? I shouldn't joke. That's harsh of me, especially with what happened.
Looks like Demon used Paranoia.

Aristocrat killed Inferno, and a Cylon killed Lotus.

Quote from DevliN
Yeah, I think his name was LoTu)S. He seemed nice. Quiet, kept to himself, I guess. I didn't really know much about him. I'd see him occasionally mumbling to himself, but never managed to really talk to him before.
Sounds like Lotus was a regular Crewmember, based on the description given.

I just realized that the Mole can change the Scientist's results. I was only looking at the ability descriptions and it seemed to be about clues, but if you read the Mole's description, it's clear he tampers with Investigates. So:
Quote from Dem0n
Inferno tested Stacy Keibler on Night 1 and found out that s(he) was a normal townie. He told me his results after Night 1.
Question: did anyone know Inferno's target before the N1 deadline? If nobody knew, the Mole was probably targeting either you or Aristocrat because of the N1 fiasco, so this result would be somewhat reliable. If someone knew his target, however, that increases the chance that the Cylons knew, which increases the chance of this result being inaccurate.

Of course, right now it seems that Inferno had claimed to you and me, and I'm not sure what kind of Scientist claims to multiple people (as it increases the risk of the Cylons finding out), so this could have been an elaborate setup for Inferno as mafia to gather roles or cover for a teammate.

For the record, Inferno claimed to me at the beginning of the game and asked who he should target (I told him I'd test myself to know if I was the Traitor or not; evidently, he didn't follow my advice). He hadn't said anything to me beyond that initial PM. I wasn't sure if I could trust his claim, so I was asking in the thread for the Scientist to proxy their results for someone else to post. He never messaged me about it; I don't know if that indicates his innocence or guilt (maybe he was concerned of another/the actual Scientist to come forward?).

HOWEVER:
Quote from DevliN
Right, yeah. I remember seeing lil-Inferno that night, too. I asked him how he was doing, and he just said he was in a hurry and couldn't talk. I later read in the report that when he was found, his hand was positioned in such a way that he was holding something when he was killed. I gather whatever he was holding was taken by whoever killed him.
Based on this, it sounds like Inferno was, in fact, a Scientist. The thing in his hand was a blood sample that he was going to test. No other role would die with something supposedly in their hand.

Quote from Aristocrat
The reason Inferno died was because he failed to claim his absurdly powerful role when we asked him to, intentionally depriving the town of useful information. With claims from many other people and a refusal to cooperate from Inferno, he was a logical next target. This is what you get for not cooperating with the town; if you have a power role but have not yet claimed to Roy or me, claim now, or you risk ending up like Inferno when the town reaches the process of elimination stage.
And the Vigilante(s) shouldn't kill anyone until that stage is reached. If you're not sure on your target, don't even think about killing them.



On to the clues:
Quote from DevliN
<Transcript begins mid-interview>
This is post #206. Post #103 is by Observer12425. It's unlikely that this would be the actual clue given how any new posts could ruin it, but there was a fair amount of time between the last post and Devlin's, so it's a possibility.

If you want to go simpler, the midpoint of the player list is between lil-Inferno and Aristocrat.

Quote from DevliN
<Recording start>

[TC 05:27:06;18]
Well yeah. [Laughing] Of course I went to the bar again. If I was going to find those Cylon bastards myself, I might as well start at the local watering hole. It was just like the prior evening for the most part. We had heard that three people were killed on Galactica, but no deaths on our ship until that point. Maybe we were just overly optimistic. Maybe we jinxed it.
Sounds like a regular opening to me, setting up the scene. Do you think Devlin is stealing my idea of making a player be the narrator of the game posts? :O

Jinxed -> Jynx. Not sure if a Pokemon reference points to anyone (I remember Lotus had one of a female trainer for a long time, but, well, he's dead).

Quote from DevliN
I saw a bunch of the same faces. She was there again that night. The woman from earlier, looking better than ever. Some sap was drooling all over her, buying her drinks all night. He seemed to lose track of time after a while.
The Seductress actually targeted someone this night.

Quote from DevliN
I don't blame him. I wonder if he got lucky? Probably not. What a sucker.
Although this part was an unnecessary addition to the description there, so it probably contains a clue to who the Seductress is. The only thing that comes to mind (which someone else actually pointed out to me first) is that TiKels has been talking profusely about women in the Shoutbox.

Quote from DevliN
You know come to think of it, there was one guy in the corner of the room drenched in sweat. He looked scared as he was tightening his vest. [Laughing] As if someone would outright shoot him in such a public place, right? I shouldn't joke. That's harsh of me, especially with what happened.

[TC 05:29:14;02]
INTERVIEWER:
What happened?

[TC 05:29:35;23]
[Sighs] I, uh, remember seeing that same guy talking to someone else earlier that day. At the tribunal. Someone who didn't make it. Maybe that's why he was sweating? I don't know.
The Vigilante uses Paranoia.

Quote from DevliN
[TC 05:30:57;11]
INTERVIEWER:
Who was he talking to? The first victim?

[TC 05:31:10;21]
Yeah, I think his name was LoTu)S. He seemed nice. Quiet, kept to himself, I guess. I didn't really know much about him. I'd see him occasionally mumbling to himself, but never managed to really talk to him before.
The Vigilante was talking to Lotus earlier that day, apparently. I assume this means nothing other than to tie the death into the narrative.

Quote from DevliN
[TC 05:32:00;28]
INTERVIEWER:
What about the other victim?

[TC 05:31:10;21]
Right, yeah. I remember seeing lil-Inferno that night, too. I asked him how he was doing, and he just said he was in a hurry and couldn't talk. I later read in the report that when he was found, his hand was positioned in such a way that he was holding something when he was killed. I gather whatever he was holding was taken by whoever killed him.
Seems like it's only describing the Scientist's death.

Quote from DevliN
You guys mind if we take a break for a bit?
Yeah, not sure if break is an actual clue or just a recurring request in the night posts. If you remember, I mentioned there being a lot of mentions of breaks in the first night post, but I don't know if it means anything.

Quote from DevliN
<Recording end>

Transcribed by 0408121406
Transcribed by the same number as the first night post, for those curious to know.

Quote from DevliN
I looked out at the stars tonight. I dreamt of flying through the sun, feeling that energy, feeling so alive. Can machines even dream? I dreamed a dream, so rare, so sweet a dream. Sometimes I feel as if we are, in fact, more alive. Who are they to decide that we can't feel, that we can't love? I feel more than these humans can comprehend. I feel anger.

- ██████
Dreams could be referring to a number of players, like payne's farewell topic or Kame's response topic to that. While trying to find the weird dream topic (by Tempz, who isn't playing), I stumbled upon this post from Kame saying she will dream about butterflies, which ties into the flying part of the post as well.

The blocked out name is six characters. Player 5 is LoTu)S (dead). The players that have six characters in their names are LoTu)S (dead), TiKels, and BiOAtK, with honorable mentions to OlimarandLouie and poison_us, as most people call them simply by "Olimar" and "poison" respectively.




Dec 1 2012, 8:37 pm poison_us Post #215

Back* from the grave

Mainly because I'm positive Demon is the/a vigilante. I would post my reasoning Ahh fuck it, might as well lay my cards on the table.

First, Kame is adamantly against Demon being the/a real vig, even to the point of ignoring her reasons last game for voting for Aristocrat; she voted alongside someone who she hated in the previous game because he had a list of people he wanted dead. If I remember right, she even acknowledged that she didn't care if he was mafia or not, the fact he had a kill list was enough for her. Nothing this game has indicated he doesn't have one this time, in fact I vaguely remember seeing something indicating he has certain people he wants dead again (coincidence that inferno is dead?). This inexplicable change in behavior tells me they're on the same side.

What made me very suspicious, specifically of Aristocrat, was the night 2 post itself.

Quote
Yeah, I think his name was LoTu)S. He seemed nice. Quiet, kept to himself, I guess. I didn't really know much about him. I'd see him occasionally mumbling to himself, but never managed to really talk to him before.
Sounds like the hitman is a quiet person either in this thread or in general. Not counting this post, put the 5 lowest-posting, living players for this thread are Generalpie (1), Zycorax (2), TiKels & Observer (4), and Olimar (6).

Quote
I saw a bunch of the same faces. She was there again that night. The woman from earlier, looking better than ever. Some sap was drooling all over her, buying her drinks all night. He seemed to lose track of time after a while. I don't blame him. I wonder if he got lucky? Probably not. What a sucker.
The seducer didn't seduce Aristocrat (verified later by Aristocrat himself; he was able to kill Inferno), rather someone else who likely has worse luck with the ladies than he'd like. I'd think this is TiKels or Demon, since it's also occuring at a bar and they're both known drinkers (though this is a common motif for DevliN and applies to me as well), but what follows convinces me it's not Demon.

Quote
You know come to think of it, there was one guy in the corner of the room drenched in sweat. He looked scared as he was tightening his vest. [Laughing] As if someone would outright shoot him in such a public place, right? I shouldn't joke. That's harsh of me, especially with what happened.
This is enough to exonerate Demon for me, as the nervousness indicates he was using paranoia, while the "outright shoot him" clause indicates he knows he's likely to be hit. It also has what seems like bad grammatical order ("shoot him outright" would make more sense), though I doubt this is a clue.

And here's the clincher, in my mind. Since Aristocrat is now trying to command Demon to use paranoia, which Aristocrat was exceptionally outspoken against in the shoutbox, something changed. Because it limits the only nighttime killing power of the town, while only offering the potential trade-off of a seducer death if the vig is known to the mafia as using paranoia, which they both certainly are now if they are vig. While with Aristocrat, I got the feeling that he would never promote using paranoia. Now he wants both himself and Demon to use it.

I'm aware I'm playing my hand a tad early, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Aristocrat was jailed the first night and nobody died. I'm thinking a second hitman, if he wasn't AFK, found the infiltrator.

EDIT: Remembered what I forgot to include.

Quote
[Sighs] I, uh, remember seeing that same guy talking to someone else earlier that day. At the tribunal. Someone who didn't make it. Maybe that's why he was sweating? I don't know.
Took this to mean the same guy (sweaty, nervous guy), was talking to someone at the previous voting that didn't live. I took this as Demon was talking to lil (as friends do, not actually visiting him) who died this past night.


Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 1 2012, 8:42 pm by poison_us.




Dec 2 2012, 12:53 am Aristocrat Post #216



I vote Teemo. Obvious mafia scum.



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Dec 2 2012, 1:16 am Dem0n Post #217

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Inferno told me before the Night 1 deadline that he was targeting Stacy Keibler.



Memes gather, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the memer on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of memes. I pledge my life and honor to the Meme's Watch, for this meme and all the memes to come.

Dec 2 2012, 1:32 am TiKels Post #218



Should I roleclaim in thread?



"If a topic that clearly interest noone needs to be closed to underline the "we don't want this here" message, is up to debate."

-NudeRaider

Dec 2 2012, 1:36 am NudeRaider Post #219

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

I'll vote Aristocrat for now.

@Tikels: No. As far as I can tell Vrael would be a good person for a hub. Personality analysis and the not entirely confirmed scientist result both clear him.




Dec 2 2012, 3:21 am Aristocrat Post #220



Don't vote for me guys, Jesus. If I'm the traitor, I don't know it yet. Having narrowed down the traitor to either Dem0n or me, it makes sense to force both players to constantly use paranoia in order to prevent awakening.



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