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StarCraft II - HotS: Balance Update #2
Sep 14 2012, 6:47 pm
By: Ahli  

Sep 14 2012, 6:47 pm Ahli Post #1

I do stuff and thingies... Try widening and reducing the number of small nooks and crannies to correct the problem.


STARCRAFT II: HotS - Balance Update #2
--- HOTS beta balance ---


Quote from David Kim, Blizzard Entertainment

As you may know, we have entered the second week of the Heart of the Swarm beta test. Thank you all for the time and effort you have put in to playing and testing the game these last few weeks. Our plan to deliver balance patches for the beta will be very different from how we do patches on the live game. We will be making frequent iterations on balance throughout the beta test in order to reach our goals as quickly as possible. Accordingly, we expect that some of the changes we make will naturally have a larger impact on overall balance and that additional tuning may be necessary; however, we feel that the beta test is the perfect time to take these risks and learn from the results.

Here are the changes we’re planning on making this week:

Remove oracle ability: Preordain

Because Preordain overlaps with Revelation in that both spells grant vision, we’ve decided to remove Preordain. All in all, we feel that Revelation is a cooler spell because it also acts as a soft detection mechanism.

New oracle ability: Phase Shield -- Target friendly units are shielded from harmful effects for 5 seconds

Phase Shield is a new oracle ability that can be used to prevent harmful effects like the marauder’s Concussive Shells, the infestor’s Fungal Growth, or the viper’s Abduct. We feel that with the addition of swarm hosts and vipers, protoss is in need of a spell that can help against some of the new unit compositions.

Oracle Entomb changes
Duration reduced from 45 to 25
Mineral Shield health increased from 75 to 100



We were facing two issues with this ability: First – lower skilled players who didn’t react quickly would take too large an economic hit. Second – higher level players who reacted almost instantly would take too little damage from the ability. This is just a first pass at attempting to solve these two issues.

Oracle cost down from 150/200 to 150/150

The cost change is to make it easier to allow protoss players to actually build these units and justify using them. As with most tuning changes in the beta, this is probably not the final cost number. As we evaluate this unit throughout the course of the beta, we will have a much better idea of what the cost of the unit should be.

Warhound has been removed from the game

We received a lot of feedback from both the general community along with many pro gamers that this unit was not working in its current state. We definitely agree. The current plan is to remove it from the beta so that we can focus testing other units.

If we locate a better design for the warhound, it will return to the beta; until then, please play the game and give your feedback without the warhound in mind.

Carrier is back!

We continue to receive a lot of feedback from both our community and professional players suggesting that the tempest is difficult to use. We agree that it’s not an easy-to-use capital ship like the carrier, and feel it could be cool to have two big air units in the protoss fleet. The carrier will be the easy-to-use, multifunctional capital ship, whereas the tempest will be a more strategic and positional unit that can’t just be blindly massed. We know how much the carrier means to everyone and think that this is a great opportunity to give the carrier another chance before making a final decision on the unit’s future.

Mothership Core rebalance

The planned changes are:

Mothership core build cost decreased from 100/100 to 50/50
Mothership core’s Recall energy reduced from 150 to 100
Mothership core Purify attack range increased from 7 to 10



These are simple number changes in an attempt to reach our goals for this unit: early game defense against all-in attacks, the ability to use Recall to be more offensive without having to commit completely, and giving protoss players more choices to work with in the early game.

Tempest attack range changed to 15, Tempest damage changed from 30 to 30 +20 massive

Now that the carrier is back as the general capital ship option, we are adjusting the role of the tempest to be more specific.

The tempest is now a specific counter-unit against massive units. The plan for the tempest is to be a viable option in the PvZ late-game against broodlords as well as in the PvP late-game against mass colossi.

Mothership starts with 50 energy when upgraded from the mothership core

Having a mothership start with max energy was an unintended side-effect that accompanied the change in how the unit was being built. Vortex is an especially deadly ability, and we feel it’s important to give players fighting against the mothership some time to react. Having a mothership capable of casting two Vortexes right when they finish building is simply too much.

Reaper has a new passive ability: Battlefield Awareness – Allows Reapers to see up cliffs

We like where the Reaper is right now with the over-all changes being made to the game. The new Combat Drugs ability allows for more reaper usage early on and this early action feels both fun to play with and fun to watch.

We’d like to try to push the usage of the reaper a bit further to see if there are even cooler options for the unit. The Battlefield Awareness ability will potentially allow reapers to be used not only for early game harassment, but throughout the game as a great scouting unit.

This is one of the experimental abilities we’d like to try as we’re still in the early stages of the beta. Any feedback on the new Reaper as a whole will be greatly appreciated.

New hellion upgrade: Transformation Servos -- allows hellions to change to Battle mode

In TvZ, battle hellions with good split micro are performing a bit too well against zergling/baneling openers. Therefore, we are adding an upgrade requirement to change modes, giving zerg players more time to make the necessary adjustments to their unit composition.

Battle mode hellions can be built from the Factory

After testing this unit in the beta, we are starting to see scenarios where building only hellions, only battle hellions, or having a choice of both are all reasonable decisions. Therefore, we would like to try allowing players to build these units separately while keeping the ability to transform between modes a viable option.

Widow mine no longer has an Armory requirement

We’re barely seeing any play using widow mines in the beta right now. While we are slightly afraid of bringing in a cloaked unit so early in the tech, we decided it would be cool to see how this works out at with no Armory requirement.

Swarm host’s locust attack range decreased from 3 to 2

We are decreasing the range of the swarm host’s locusts from 3 to 2 in order to slightly reduce the unit’s effectiveness while still maintaining its usefulness in a number of different situations. After this change, locusts should be pretty deadly when able to freely attack enemy units and structures. Additionally, small to medium-sized armies will have to do some kiting in order to reduce locust counts as head-on battles will not be cost-effective. On the other hand, larger armies (especially those with lots of splash damage) will be able to take down a large amount of locusts fairly efficiently if their swarm hosts are not backed up by other units. Swarm hosts in the earlier stages of a game can be used by themselves, but in the later parts of the game they will need to be used in combination with units like the corruptor or infestor.
Source

Quote from Patchlog
Bug Fixes

General
  • The following options now default to off:
    - Simple Command Card
    - Show Current Order Waypoint
    - Select Larva Clusters
    - Team Colored Life Status Bars.
  • The following option now defaults to on:
    - Allow Selecting Uncontrollable Units.
  • An error is no longer generated when attempting to burrow previously un-burrowed units with other units that are already burrowed.
  • The Select Army button now defaults to the F2 hotkey.
  • Queens and mothership cores are no longer selected when the Select Army button is used.
  • Tempest and Oracle now have proper selection sounds.
  • Fixed an issue where executing certain queued orders would be delayed if an ability was on cooldown.
  • Fixed an issue where certain units were missing flail animations.
  • Fixed some missing text in the zerg tab on non-grid hotkey profiles.

Races

Terran
  • Simple Command Card has been removed from the Planetary Fortress.
  • The Build SCV command card button on the Command Center has been moved back to the top left slot.
  • Raven’s Seeker Missile once again costs 125 energy.
  • Fixed an issue where the unit icons for grouped hellions would sometimes change.
  • Dead marines will no longer display Stimpack’s expiration effect animation where they fell.
  • Units destroyed by the widow mine no longer display two death animations when the Reduced Violence option is toggled on.
  • Units launched into the air by the siege tank’s sieged attacks now display properly under Low settings.
  • A bug was fixed that caused battlecruiser anti-ground damage to be more than 8.

Protoss
  • Unpowered Warp Gates will no longer show as Gateways under the fog of war.
  • Protoss structures are no longer invisible through the fog of war if vision was lost just as construction was completing.
  • Mothership and mothership core now play appropriate ready sounds.
  • Revealed debuff tooltip for Revelation has been clarified.
  • Mineral Shield no longer uses a placeholder icon.

Zerg
  • Missile Attack upgrade has been corrected to increase locust damage in increments of 1 instead of 2.
  • Banelings will no longer play an incorrect death animation if they are killed while suspended in the air.
  • Ultralisks no longer emerge from Burrow Charge slightly ahead of their target destination.
  • Burrow Charge now deals the correct amount of damage when the ultralisk has received melee attack upgrades.
  • Burrow Charge ability icon now matches the new upgrade icon on the Ultralisk Den.
  • It is now possible to set custom hotkeys for the swarm host and viper.
  • Viper’s Consume ability no longer uses the Corruption icon.
  • Viper no longer uses a high quality death model on Low graphics settings.
  • Hydralisk speed on creep is now consistent before and after researching the Muscular Augments upgrade.
  • Fixed an issue where drones would not be automatically re-selected after canceling construction of a building.
Source


Also, more players have been invited to the HotS beta now. This time they were players who opted in for StarCraft beta test.
Source


Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 15 2012, 12:56 pm by Ahli.




Sep 15 2012, 9:58 am Jack Post #2

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Still not enough lurkers, not enough cool micro either. Carrier micro should be added ;o and I'm very glad the warhound was removed, it was a boring 1a unit. Tempest still won't get used much at all, I expect.



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Sep 15 2012, 6:13 pm Pr0nogo Post #3



Tempest was nerfed further into oblivion, so it's even less useful. Carrier's addition isn't a good thing for esports, but neither is the Tempest. I don't expect the dynamic to work out the way Blizzard wants it to.




Sep 17 2012, 9:27 pm ClansAreForGays Post #4



Not having to micro is the very point of carriers. as with battle cruisers and hydras. You only get those when you've crushed them economically, and don't feel like scanning them to see what you need to counter.




Sep 18 2012, 5:28 pm Pr0nogo Post #5



I said nothing about micro. Carriers aren't good for esports. They're inherently imbalanced because of the life-link between them and their Interceptors. A Carrier with 4 Interceptors may be balanced, but that means that a Carrier at 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, or 8 Interceptors isn't balanced, and every time one is lost or built is another power/balance fluctuation.




Sep 18 2012, 6:16 pm TiKels Post #6



Quote from Pr0nogo
I said nothing about micro. Carriers aren't good for esports. They're inherently imbalanced because of the life-link between them and their Interceptors. A Carrier with 4 Interceptors may be balanced, but that means that a Carrier at 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, or 8 Interceptors isn't balanced, and every time one is lost or built is another power/balance fluctuation.
I would like to direct your attention to the existence of the meme "hurting esports". I just would like to say that it's very hard to take you seriously when you keep saying that.

Your argument doesn't really hold water. Fluctuations in "balance" are a part of the game. For example, the game is not equally balanced at all stages of the game for all races (one race may be forced to defend while another can expand and attack freely). All the races would have to be identical for that to be the case.

Furthermore, I would like you to actually define what "balance" is and why having a unit that scales its damage output based upon it being attacked is a form of "imbalance". The reciprocal argument could be made that all other units (stalkers, marines, etc) do the same damage output regardless of being injured, thereby allowing weakened units to be as strong as full health units therefore making them imbalanced. This is utter nonsense.

If carriers were so imbalanced, wouldn't you see more use of them in every single game? I fail to see the issue. (Of course this isn't necessarily true, lack of knowledge could lead to one not noticing the imbalance of a unit and thereby it wouldn't be used. Correlation =/= causation, as always.)

I don't even know how to explain it any better than that. If you're trolling, you've won. I literally typed for 25 minutes and deleted half the crap I said.



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Sep 18 2012, 8:05 pm Pr0nogo Post #7



http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15120

I tried to spare you the read.




Sep 18 2012, 9:26 pm ClansAreForGays Post #8



Quote from Pr0nogo
I said nothing about micro...
Stopped reading. The person above you did.




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