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DevliN's Mafia: Battlestar Galactica
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Sep 30 2011, 3:32 am Azrael Post #61



I guess the point of a visit would be to take out someone of your choice, like a Vigilante that only gets to use his power once per game and it requires him to die and it's activated by another player (so like a Vig but much less powerful).

The point of the dodge is similar, to give you the chance to increase the casualties. The difference is that it only increases the chances of killing an additional Mafia member, rather than just anyone. If the dodge actually saves you, then it means you managed to use it when exactly one Mafia was targeting you. This increases the likelihood of having two Mafia members attack you on the following night, believing that you are protected.

A visit would be more fitting for the Bomb character, whereas a dodge could result in being more useful to the Town.

Another idea is to give him the Psycho ability if he's lynched, where he can target someone to take with him (the idea being he'd rather detonate than let himself be lynched, and runs at someone to kill them in the explosion). This seems pretty fitting for the character as well, and that way he poses a danger to the Mafia regardless of how he dies.




Sep 30 2011, 4:10 am Wing Zero Post #62

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A visit action for the bomb would more then likely screw town over. The dodge action seems a bit unnecessary for a role that wants to get killed but it might work like AZ said and force mafia to double hit him.




Sep 30 2011, 4:37 am DevliN Post #63

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Dodge is a one time use, so I'm not sure how they'd know to double hit the Bomb on the same night he uses it. It doesn't seem like there would ever be a double hit on a Bomb unless it was accidental.

EDIT:
After re-reading the above posts and then my response, I understand the idea that they would double up thinking it was a protected person. I still think that the chance of the Bomb getting hit in the same night the player decides to use Dodge is slim, but I can see the value in it. I also still think a visit action would be too detrimental to the Town, however. The Bomb is more likely to visit a fellow Townie than Mafia member early on, risking the chance of the Bomb causing unnecessary damage to the Town. :/

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 30 2011, 9:57 am by DevliN.



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Sep 30 2011, 4:23 pm Tempz Post #64



Well the point of the dodge for the bomb would probably to buy more time to make himself look more suspicious thus having more people targeting him.



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Sep 30 2011, 7:13 pm DevliN Post #65

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I know what the point of it is, that's why I ended up adding it. My issue with this theory of him being more suspicious is that he'd have to know he was being targeted in the first place to buy himself more time. Seems like most of the time, Dodge is a crapshoot. I guess I'm also assuming/hoping that the Mafia members would be smarter than that.



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Sep 30 2011, 7:27 pm Roy Post #66

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Seems like most of the time, Dodge is a crapshoot.
Almost everyone who could use Dodge used it in my game at some point (~6 actions), and all of them were wasted. I'm thinking that the next time I host, the Bomb will just have a detonate action, which will blow himself and everyone targeting him up, instead of giving him the overly powerful passive.




Sep 30 2011, 7:33 pm Excalibur Post #67

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Sep 30 2011, 9:19 pm Azrael Post #68



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I'm thinking that the next time I host, the Bomb will just have a detonate action, which will blow himself and everyone targeting him up, instead of giving him the overly powerful passive.

Hey, if they didn't want to be blown up, they wouldn't kill him :wtfawesome:

Now if he had a choice between two night actions, either Dodge or Detonate (with Dodge having infinite uses) then I could see it.

Or if he had the current Detonate passive with two regenerating night lives, so the Mafia can choose to hit people singularly to avoid the power.

Just having a Detonate ability is about as likely to work as intended as Dodge is, if not less so since it has a good chance of killing Townies in the process. The only ways I could see the Bomb being able to detonate himself making any sense is if he could visit someone when he uses it, ot have an additional power to make up for his severely decreased usefulness, or be Mafia-aligned.

Otherwise, without at least one of those, just changing the passive to an active ability makes the Bomb less useful than a normal Townsperson, in which case it may be better to exclude the role entirely. I'm sure there are additional ways to rework it though.




Sep 30 2011, 10:57 pm Vrael Post #69



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No roles are being dropped. :P

EDIT:
Also added "Dodge" to the Bomb, for now.
Fine. I'll play if you admit you're mafia.



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Sep 30 2011, 11:10 pm TiKels Post #70



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Aw sheet now it's a party.

I've been a power role for like 3 out of 4 games. Jailer mafia mafia. What are the odds that it happens again?



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Sep 30 2011, 11:19 pm Norm Post #71



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Quote from DevliN
No roles are being dropped. :P

EDIT:
Also added "Dodge" to the Bomb, for now.
Fine. I'll play if you admit you're mafia.

You're mafia.



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Sep 30 2011, 11:19 pm Wing Zero Post #72

Magic box king

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Fuck it, I love BSG. I'll play.
Aw sheet now it's a party.

I've been a power role for like 3 out of 4 games. Jailer mafia mafia. What are the odds that it happens again?
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Sep 30 2011, 11:34 pm Norm Post #73



Change bomb so that when he is killed, he detonates and everyone around him dies - meaning anyone targeting him + anyone he is visiting, anyone who is visiting him, and all the people targeting the person he is visiting. Give him the ability to visit. Also, add a tracker role.



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Sep 30 2011, 11:40 pm Wing Zero Post #74

Magic box king

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Change bomb so that when he is killed, he detonates and everyone around him dies - meaning anyone targeting him + anyone he is visiting, anyone who is visiting him, and all the people targeting the person he is visiting. Give him the ability to visit. Also, add a tracker role.
OP much?
I think the role is just fine without the visit power





Sep 30 2011, 11:50 pm DevliN Post #75

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Quote from Vrael
Quote from DevliN
No roles are being dropped. :P

EDIT:
Also added "Dodge" to the Bomb, for now.
Fine. I'll play if you admit you're mafia.
I'm always Mafia.

Added.



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Sep 30 2011, 11:52 pm Norm Post #76



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Quote from Norm
Change bomb so that when he is killed, he detonates and everyone around him dies - meaning anyone targeting him + anyone he is visiting, anyone who is visiting him, and all the people targeting the person he is visiting. Give him the ability to visit. Also, add a tracker role.
OP much?
I think the role is just fine without the visit power

Not really OP because unless used at the right time, you're going to do more damage to the town than you will to the mafia. Oh well, it's fine either way - I was just making a suggestion =)



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Sep 30 2011, 11:59 pm Vrael Post #77



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Quote from DevliN
No roles are being dropped. :P

EDIT:
Also added "Dodge" to the Bomb, for now.
Fine. I'll play if you admit you're mafia.
I'm always Mafia.

Added.
DEVLIN IS MAFIA.

K I'll play :)

Wow, traitor is the stupidest role ever, I'm considering not playing now.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 1 2011, 12:05 am by Vrael.



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Oct 1 2011, 12:09 am Roy Post #78

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K I'll play :)
Way to cave. I thought you were stronger than that, Vrael.

For clarity, do sign-ups close on Saturday, or some time during Saturday?




Oct 1 2011, 12:20 am DevliN Post #79

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I was hoping to have more than 20 by the time I start, but it looks unlikely at the moment. I'll probably start this on Saturday.
Adding on to this, I will be sending out activity checks tomorrow (Friday) at midnight (PST) and will start the game Saturday at midnight if everyone is here and active by then.

Basically I meant Saturday at 12:01 AM. :)



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Oct 1 2011, 12:56 am Tempz Post #80



Well time confuses me; best put a timezone on the time as well.



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