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Putting Null on Notice
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Sep 14 2011, 10:57 pm
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Sep 16 2011, 3:26 am Sacrieur Post #61

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I doubt quality control's gonna change anything.. just like that Judge Rampage thingymagic... where Judges have more responsibilities and are accountable or something...

That's not analogous. It's like putting more responsibilities on the staff, not on the participants.



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Sep 16 2011, 3:40 am UnholyUrine Post #62



Hmmm, good point.
At least that'd ensure that participants get a good feedback, however few there are.

Simultaneously, you've brought up a good point
Quality control for participants wouldn't work, because you want everyone to have equal chance, since everyone's different in their unique ways.
The more people that enter, the better... Moreover, participants can learn from each other...

The difference is that the Participants are Rewarded for doing good stuff.
Punishing participants for doing bad/not doing good stuff, or outright not giving them the chance, is very bad indeed.

I believe that, in the Null of SEN, posters posting to reach out to the community and play with them in their threads is a reward in it of itself.
I guess trying to make a guideline for posts is fine, as long as such rewarding threads are still allowed.

But telling people you're going to "Crackdown" on them is offensive, and has evidently hurt Kame already.
I'd say that this characteristic of yours is more harmful than hundreds of those Threads that fall below the "line" you speak of.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 17 2011, 8:01 pm by UnholyUrine.



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Sep 16 2011, 4:56 am Sacrieur Post #63

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It's better to reward positive contribution and ignore negative contribution, rather than punish negative contribution. Slashdot works somewhat on this principle, although some incredibly idiotic statements still manage to get -2.



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Sep 16 2011, 6:27 am Doodan Post #64



Null is srs business.



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Sep 22 2011, 1:12 am Ultraviolet Post #65



So, wouldn't it be favorable to add an almost anything goes type forum? Maybe something along the lines of no porn, trolling, or flaming, but everything else is fine? I don't see why we've avoided that for so long.




Sep 22 2011, 1:17 am DevliN Post #66

OVERWATCH STATUS GO

That's basically what Null has been, except the trolling still exists and we're now trying to keep the "spam" to a minimum, I suppose.



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Sep 22 2011, 1:18 am TiKels Post #67



I'd imagine the stance is that SEN isn't the place to do that... That it's just not acceptable for SEN.



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Sep 22 2011, 1:37 am The Starport Post #68



Sounds like an artificial sensibility to me.



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Sep 22 2011, 2:00 am TomWaits Post #69



I think the worst thing about SEN is it's incredibly inactive. Taking away the tiny amount of fun SEN has will not only make it a less enjoyable place(obviously), but probably be less enticing for future members, preventing SEN from effectively dealing with lack of active users.

What's the big deal? I don't see the harm in actually keeping stupidity to an enclosed area. It allows members to interact, have fun, etc. and at the end of the day, the people who have a problem with the silliness just don't have to check up on Null.

And for what it's worth, SEN's Null isn't anything like what goes on in /b/. Unless, somebody's been posting child porn recently... in which case, nevermind.



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Sep 22 2011, 2:18 am Roy Post #70

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I don't see the harm in actually keeping stupidity to an enclosed area.
Yes, but Null is a part of our forums, and to try to treat it as separate from the general standards of SEN is a ridiculous notion. If only there was some segregated area apart from the forums on SEN where people could say just about anything. Some sort of... box. Hmm...

Posting "no u" as a reply is not "fun" and often not really humorous in any way. It sounds like the goal of the topic is aiming to increase the quality of Null, which doesn't mean it's taking away any of the fun from it.




Sep 22 2011, 4:57 am TomWaits Post #71



I'm not saying Null should be anything goes, but things like one word forum games? What's the harm in that? It can be a good bit of fun for a handful of users, and anybody who doesn't like it simply doesn't have to participate. Separate standards aren't a problem -- Lite and Serious discussion are held to separate standards, right? Forum etiquette(restrictions on spamming, flaming, etc) should still obviously be enforced in Null...

What good is changing things up going to bring?



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Sep 22 2011, 6:41 am Roy Post #72

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I'm not saying Null should be anything goes, but things like one word forum games? What's the harm in that?
There's just as much harm as there is point in that. And where would you draw the line, exactly, if not at one word games? How about count down from 1000 "games"? When does it stop being a game and just becomes spam? I'm not trying to use the slippery slope argument; I'm trying to make the point that there is no definitive line between these kinds of threads, but the line must be drawn somewhere.

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Separate standards aren't a problem -- Lite and Serious discussion are held to separate standards, right?
Lite and Serious Discussion are held at higher standards (which are not separated from SEN's general standards, but rather just built upon them); that is not an argument to make a subforum held at lower standards (which would be taking the general standards and removing some criteria).

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Forum etiquette(restrictions on spamming, flaming, etc) should still obviously be enforced in Null...

What good is changing things up going to bring?
Well, hopefully it will lead to forum etiquette being enforced in Null.

Nothing is really changing; it's more that things have been allowed to slide for a long time, and what is considered unacceptable in Null is starting to be understood as the norm. This more closely resembles a reminder than a crackdown to me.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Sep 22 2011, 12:58 pm by Roy.




Sep 22 2011, 7:41 am IskatuMesk Post #73

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So, wouldn't it be favorable to add an almost anything goes type forum? Maybe something along the lines of no porn, trolling, or flaming, but everything else is fine? I don't see why we've avoided that for so long.

Personally, after years of being here, I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you guys have 3 General Discussion forums in the first place.



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Sep 23 2011, 12:23 am Dem0n Post #74

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We like to think that we're actually intellectually sound, yet the LD and SD have more trolls than Null.



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Sep 27 2011, 1:29 pm Apos Post #75

I order you to forgive yourself!

People move on. Starcraft 1 was a great game, but over time, people move on and so did Sen. What makes that we stay on Sen is because it has a great community and a great history (And probably more than that.).




Sep 27 2011, 3:13 pm ClansAreForGays Post #76



Making members 'pay' in productivity to use null isn't the worst idea. I think it would be kinda fun, really. (Just to test out)




Sep 27 2011, 6:51 pm Dem0n Post #77

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Making members 'pay' in productivity to use null isn't the worst idea. I think it would be kinda fun, really. (Just to test out)
It would just lead to a whole bunch of bullshit being posted in the Starcraft forums just so that people could get their "contributing" factor up.



Memes gather, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the memer on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of memes. I pledge my life and honor to the Meme's Watch, for this meme and all the memes to come.

Sep 27 2011, 8:10 pm poison_us Post #78

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Making members 'pay' in productivity to use null isn't the worst idea. I think it would be kinda fun, really. (Just to test out)
I was poking fun at Ex, but ok. It actually could work, but chances are it won't because:

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Making members 'pay' in productivity to use null isn't the worst idea. I think it would be kinda fun, really. (Just to test out)
It would just lead to a whole bunch of bullshit being posted in the Starcraft forums just so that people could get their "contributing" factor up.
Except that it would logically need mods to actually police those threads, and manually give out the "contributing" points. As you've probably noticed, though, even the most heavy-handed of the mods (Ex) still don't care enough to even police Null (see the Logic threads), despite posting about a "crackdown".





Sep 27 2011, 8:38 pm Sacrieur Post #79

Still Napping

If by don't care you mean too busy, then yes.



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Oct 1 2011, 7:39 am TomWaits Post #80



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There's just as much harm as there is point in that. And where would you draw the line, exactly, if not at one word games? How about count down from 1000 "games"? When does it stop being a game and just becomes spam? I'm not trying to use the slippery slope argument; I'm trying to make the point that there is no definitive line between these kinds of threads, but the line must be drawn somewhere.
Is there, really? If you don't like the one word post game, you don't open the thread. You know what the thread is before clicking on it, because it's titled "One Word Thread Forumgame". It's not like there are any discussions or intelligent conversation going on in the thread for it to disrupt. My proposition would be keep any sort of blatant spam(along the lines of "click here to win an iPad"), flaming, or any illegal discussion out, while leaving the forum games and other threads you might find unintelligible alone. If you don't want to participate in the "post your favorite cat pictures" thread, you don't have to. Nobody's forcing you. So why are we so staunch on preventing it, when a large part of the userbase here that would enjoy a thread like that.

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Lite and Serious Discussion are held at higher standards (which are not separated from SEN's general standards, but rather just built upon them); that is not an argument to make a subforum held at lower standards (which would be taking the general standards and removing some criteria).
Lower standards isn't really a problem though. Look at the shoutbox. It's held to a lower standard, and what problems does it generate? Null isn't really held to the same standards as SD or LD anyway. Null should be stupid, vapid posts. It's what separates it from LD. Personally, I think there is a place for these type of things on SEN. It's had custom programmed forum games integrated into the forum software in the past (on v4). Why not embrace it like we have in the past?

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Well, hopefully it will lead to forum etiquette being enforced in Null.
No, that IS the change. My point is, what do we as a community/website benefit from this? Where is the gain? Are people happier? Does it keep serious discussion from happening? Does it make this place more enjoyable? Does it help attract potential new members?
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Nothing is really changing; it's more that things have been allowed to slide for a long time, and what is considered unacceptable in Null is starting to be understood as the norm. This more closely resembles a reminder than a crackdown to me.
Leave the semantics at home. If threads and posts that were once not being deleted/locked are now being deleted/locked, then a change is happening.

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