The world is getting more and more digital everyday, In fact some peoples entire lives (money wise) have been stored on a little usb or hard drive. When is does our precious data own our lives and when does someone cross a line. And In the past lets say 6 months or so there have been many scandals that breach our security; who do we trust. The government? the companies that we trust? Psn was hacked as this breach of security was so shocking that japan even made psn delayed until the security was up to "a Standard".
If we stand up the evils of the world will get squished like the bugs; Or are we strong enough to stand up. As a group we can accomplish many things but people who do stand up are praised as heroes. But are we willing to risk it... an example is a whistle blower to the world news scandal in which phones of 9/11 victims, victims or murder and much more have been exposed. This whistle blower is now dead.
One man can do many things...
The digital age has brought us all this tragedy but there is hope yet, Zeitgeist movement exposes many injustices that are left out of the media censored by the government. And the things they don't want us to know, becuase of the internet and the anonymity of it people aren't afraid of the repercussions of their actions and becuase of this evil and good are pushed to their extreme. This is why the group anonymous was formed even though they are extreme; they reveal injustices and punish them accordingly. Anonymous is a entity (group) of which they find and do what no other has the courage to do. It is hard to find anonymous early beginings becuase it is not well recorded (except operations which they have carried out). It started as simply anonymous, a place where no one need give away an identity from there it evolved and took Guy Fawkes mask as their symbol. (Guy Fawkes was a conspirator to blow up the London parliament in the 1800's i believe) They now attack anyone who defies the natural order of things.
So I ask you this do you think our "Digital Age" is our savior or downfall?
I Support Anonymous for the most part... (however i don't want to be arrested for hacking)
(Now the opposite take on it) (Yes i try to put an unbiased argument on it)
What exactly have the Zeitgeist and Anonymous groups done to protect our civil rights? What scandals have they uncovered? Sure, that one whistleblower that's dead now seems signifigant, but it also seems unrelated to your topic.
I actually did a research paper on Anonymous, and they have acted to protect and establish freedoms of nations other than our own.
During the 2009 Iranian election protests, where there was pretty much proof that the election was rigged (over 100% turnout in some provinces, for example), Anonymous and TPB created "Anonymous Iran" in an effort to circumvent the Iranian government's censorship and allow information to travel between Iran and other countries.
The 2011 Egypt protests was put into effect because of communication through the internet, and Anonymous was an advocate for the protestors. They persistently brought down Hosni Mubarak’s propaganda websites during this time.
During the 2011 Wisconsin protests, Anonymous also participated, supporting the protestors and spreading information on the injustices of Koch Industries. They also DDoSed the Koch website, like they do with everything.
Anonymous is also credited for the Chris Forcand arrest.
While a lot of what they do is silly and generally unproductive (especially from their early years), they have done some remarkable things. They're certainly not like the recently-disbanded Lulzsec. The reason Anonymous doesn't have a specific date of being formed is because it originally wasn't a group at all, but just a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. It has grown a bit more sophisticated now, but the general notion is that nobody and everybody is Anonymous.
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What exactly have the Zeitgeist and Anonymous groups done to protect our civil rights? What scandals have they uncovered? Sure, that one whistleblower that's dead now seems signifigant, but it also seems unrelated to your topic.
@Vrael Well I'm sick and got a heat stroke so couldn't really go in depth plus i wanted to do a topic on shark finning so i didn't really feel motivated. That and if it was too long no one would read it...
@Cardinal Lol
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What exactly have the Zeitgeist and Anonymous groups done to protect our civil rights? What scandals have they uncovered? Sure, that one whistleblower that's dead now seems signifigant, but it also seems unrelated to your topic.
I actually did a research paper on Anonymous, and they have acted to protect and establish freedoms of nations other than our own.
During the 2009 Iranian election protests, where there was pretty much proof that the election was rigged (over 100% turnout in some provinces, for example), Anonymous and TPB created "Anonymous Iran" in an effort to circumvent the Iranian government's censorship and allow information to travel between Iran and other countries.
The 2011 Egypt protests was put into effect because of communication through the internet, and Anonymous was an advocate for the protestors. They persistently brought down Hosni Mubarak’s propaganda websites during this time.
During the 2011 Wisconsin protests, Anonymous also participated, supporting the protestors and spreading information on the injustices of Koch Industries. They also DDoSed the Koch website, like they do with everything.
Anonymous is also credited for the Chris Forcand arrest.
While a lot of what they do is silly and generally unproductive (especially from their early years), they have done some remarkable things that I can respect. They're certainly not like the recently-disbanded Lulzsec. The reason Anonymous doesn't have a specific date of being formed is because it originally wasn't a group at all, but just a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. It has grown a bit more sophisticated now, but the general notion is that nobody and everybody is Anonymous.
About the Wisconsin protests: As someone who actually lives in Madison, I can say that 1. The whole thing was fucking retarded 2. Anonymous only centered on Koch industries because their parents don't work there and 3. The Unions are worse. They do the same things.
Anonymous as a movement, a group, an entity will get stronger as it grows but I did some further research.
They did reveal many injustices... Such as Scientology, Helping the protests against the unjust leader(s), etc
I did find that one part of their organization lacking and that was the ddos attacks... They do work but as the "Corporations" get an army of programmers to combat any hacking only last hours not days (which would be the desired effect).
I know someone who use to work for the organization and the only way to get in now (for an attack last at least a few days) is an inside attack. (i lost contact with him a couple of month ago though)
They did reveal many injustices... Such as Scientology, Helping the protests against the unjust leader(s), etc
They also did things like endlessly harass individuals they disagreed with (including phone call death threats, hatemail, and ordering pornographic material to their household), upload several porn videos to YouTube disguised as children's cartoons, and attack websites that removed copyrighted material (even when the website did it because of threats of legal action from the copyright owner; talk about a lose-lose situation), etc. Plus, they teamed up with LulzSec when they were still around, which was a hacker group filled purely with selfish and meaningless attacks.
I did find that one part of their organization lacking and that was the ddos attacks... They do work but as the "Corporations" get an army of programmers to combat any hacking only last hours not days (which would be the desired effect).
I know someone who use to work for the organization and the only way to get in now (for an attack last at least a few days) is an inside attack. (i lost contact with him a couple of month ago though)
DDoS is a weak form of attack in comparison to taking private data, and Anonymous has accomplished much greater attacks than simply shutting a website down for a short period of time. Also, getting a virus or worm inside a corporation can be quite easy if you think outside the box. I recall hearing a story where a government agency that was proclaimed "unhackable" was hacked by people leaving infected USB flash drives outside near the facility (in the parking lot, on benches, etc.). (I couldn't find an article on this, so if anyone knows the source, please post it.)
DDoS is a weak form of attack in comparison to taking private data, and Anonymous has accomplished much greater attacks than simply shutting a website down for a short period of time. Also, getting a virus or worm inside a corporation can be quite easy if you think outside the box. I recall hearing a story where a government agency that was proclaimed "unhackable" was hacked by people leaving infected USB flash drives outside near the facility (in the parking lot, on benches, etc.). (I couldn't find an article on it, so if anyone else knows the source, please post it).
Physical access makes things much easier in many ways.
Well i do know "Anonymous" does attack anyone that disagrees with them (useless) but they also attack real problems... If they were to stop attacking the wrong people and focus on the issues they would be awesome but they do attack people that don't deserve it which is a shame so it makes "Anonymous" another two bit group at least in the public eyes (not mine).
But in anonymous anyone can be pretend to be them and use there name so its hard to say if anonymous is truly the lesser of the evils.
I do agree that their early attacks and some of their attack purely for the lulz were useless but they do reveal the injustices.
I did say i supported anonymous and its actions but i do so to a degree... injustices they attack i love them for that but personal attacks and such i disagree with.
My 2 cents.
@Roy Well they are the lesser of the great evils and as I've said they do have members who do wrongful attacks but with all good intent in their mind except "for the lulz" portion...
@Cecil I'm not sure if i said this but i've done physical hacking before (taking things and making them do things there not suppose to) Wiki LinkAnd i know hacking objects and computer and the computer is defiantly harder at least for me.. However almost all hacking activity is easily traceable even physical hacking.
Edited post... And I did some internet searching and couldn't find much recorded data to prove my point sorry
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Well i do know "Anonymous" does attack anyone that disagrees with them (useless) but they also attack real problems... If they were to stop attacking the wrong people and focus on the issues they would be awesome but they do attack people that don't deserve it which is a shame so it makes "Anonymous" another two bit group at least in the public eyes (not mine).
But in anonymous anyone can be pretend to be them and use there name so its hard to say if anonymous is truly the lesser of the evils.
I do agree that their early attacks and some of their attack purely for the lulz were useless but they do reveal the injustices.
I did say i supported anonymous and its actions but i do so to a degree... injustices they attack i love them for that but personal attacks and such i disagree with.
My 2 cents.
@Roy Well they are the lesser of the great evils and as I've said they do have members who do wrongful attacks but with all good intent in their mind except "for the lulz" portion...
@Cecil I'm not sure if i said this but i've done physical hacking before (taking things and making them do things there not suppose to) its way easier physically but i'd be 10 times more risky becuase there so many more factors.. Trust me I've talked with people who claim to be security advisers and most of these things are easily traceable...
I've also talked to some coders and they say that most all hacking (traditional hacking not irl hacking as stated above) of things are traceable since you'd need a host computer to commit it but the safest method is to use a disposable computer which are pretty expensive and usually not worth the money to pay for the attack. Oh and a location close enough for you to go their without suspicion and far enough not to be untraceable... Doing this is like doing a perfect murder which will take months if not years of planning, thinking of every other factor and the ripple effect of your actions.
Where are you getting any of this? Nothing you say about hacking makes any sense at all, and is just... untrue. No sources cited, nothing. This is obviously not up to par with sd...
You really didn't change much, and you certainly didn't seem to change anything that would address Bio's concern. The "trust me" concept doesn't quite work in SD. Not to mention your "2 cents" about Anonymous is really just a huge rant. I think the issue is that a lot of your posts on this site are jumbled and difficult to follow, and that's just an issue with your writing style. So when we see your posts in SD, its clear you're passionate about what you're talking about, but you haven't really learned the art of debate so to speak. Well put-together posts work a lot better in this forum.
I'm not sure if I said this, but I've done physical hacking before (i.e. taking things and making them do things they're not suppose to do). Wiki Link. I know hacking objects and hacking on the computer are different, and hacking on the computer is definitely harder (at least for me). However, almost all hacking activity is easily traceable, even physical hacking.
I'm a CS major, and while my knowledge on hacking is not extremely extensive, I work with security often and have a reasonable foundation on the general subject. What you have described does not sound accurate to me.
1) You're describing a completely different type of hacking than what hacker groups do; modifying your PS3 to play burned copies of games is not nearly the same as accessing another person's or company's intellectual property, and drawing experience from one to talk about the other seems absurd. Unless you can describe a convincing example of how these two practices coincide, don't use this to make assertions. (Also, as a side note, when you say "physical hacking," it makes me think of the definition "To cut with rough or heavy blows.") 2) Your wiki link is broken. Here is the link on hacker hobbyists. Out of curiosity, what hardware have you modified before? 3) How can one easily trace hacking from someone operating from inside their system? Sure, a hacker could be spotted on camera, but that's not really tracing the hack to the source. In a poorly monitored environment, someone accessing an internal computer that is not their own and modifying or stealing data cannot normally be pinpointed digitally. 4) How is hacking from an outside source easily traceable? If a hacker knows what they're doing (which they should, being hackers and all), they conceal their identities while in the act. If they work through a proxy or two, you can't just look at the offending IP address and say, "Yup, that's our guy!" This is the reason organizations like Anonymous exist without being caught immediately.
(I think this topic belongs in Lite Discussion or Null, as it is not a topic designed for formal debate. Discussing the merits and flaws of the digital age and hactivists is not well suited for SD, especially since facts and evidence regarding such groups are uncertain.)
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You really didn't change much, and you certainly didn't seem to change anything that would address Bio's concern. The "trust me" concept doesn't quite work in SD. Not to mention your "2 cents" about Anonymous is really just a huge rant. I think the issue is that a lot of your posts on this site are jumbled and difficult to follow, and that's just an issue with your writing style. So when we see your posts in SD, its clear you're passionate about what you're talking about, but you haven't really learned the art of debate so to speak. Well put-together posts work a lot better in this forum.
Thanks for understanding my point of view and yes my words are jumbled which I'm trying really hard to change even to the point of taking english classes outside of high school/collage courses.
But i do support anonymous...
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