So. Basically.. three alleged hackers are being arrested for hacking not just the PSN, but apparently multiple things including "two Spanish banks, an Italian energy company and government sites in Spain, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Iran and elsewhere".
I hope that the arrest of these hackers will not cause the public to antagonize Anonymous, because the real cause behind Anonymous is Free Speech on the Internets.. Hacking.. especially at this level.. is not their goal...
I have a strong feeling that the people behind PS, and the gov't (of Spain at least), are trying to use this as an excuse for people who are complaining about the lack of internet security. This is sort of due to the way the whole thing is phrased. If the hackers really have hacked so many things that will get them severely punished.. why would they continually try to hack PSN (remembering that PS websites were hacked in conjunction to the PSN hack) and make such a big fuss about it?
Keep in mind a hacker can't just "do what they want". A backdoor or exploit must exist from the beginning. Such things aren't commonly overlooked when it comes to network security (if they know what they're doing), especially for large networks such as Sony's, or something as important as government.
Unless they had knowledge of how these systems worked internally from the start, then abusing an exploit they somehow discovered would be like knitting a sweater upside down in the dark without any prior knowledge of how to knit. (How would they know how the system behaved when their exploit succeeded?)
If it's true then the hackers are only partially at fault. (You leave your car door unlocked with the keys inside and it gets stolen kind of thing)
Just another note: Any "hacker" that brags about hacking other computers is full of shit. If a hacker says they will hack you, then you can go ahead and call their bluff.
Keep in mind a hacker can't just "do what they want". A backdoor or exploit must exist from the beginning. Such things aren't commonly overlooked when it comes to network security (if they know what they're doing), especially for large networks such as Sony's, or something as important as government.
Unless they had knowledge of how these systems worked internally from the start, then abusing an exploit they somehow discovered would be like knitting a sweater upside down in the dark without any prior knowledge of how to knit. (How would they know how the system behaved when their exploit succeeded?)
If it's true then the hackers are only partially at fault. (You leave your car door unlocked with the keys inside and it gets stolen kind of thing)
I agree to some extent on this. Besides, PSN is just a horrible system and if someone asked me which game console's network would have been attacked first, PSN would have been my answer hands down. Sony pretty much threw together this network back for PS2 and only upgrades it to work with their systems as they come out.
Just another note: Any "hacker" that brags about hacking other computers is full of shit. If a hacker says they will hack you, then you can go ahead and call their bluff.
This should be common sense these days. Besides, Chat Logs, Chat Logs, Chat Logs.
No but I mean I really think that there are some good guys and bad guys that hack and then decide to say they are affiliated with anonymous. I don't know why people do that. Their is no anonymous group. Not very lulzy at all. I also don't know how well the Spain policia know about anything since they say that they captured the leaders of anonymous which is a pretty bizarre statement. Just for that it feels like it wouldn't be hard to believe that these guys were people who got their IP routed or something and the police jumped the gun on saying "WE CAUGHT EM AND SAVED THE DAY GUIS"
Or maybe they did. I don't care. I'm just in it for the lulz.
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Uhh in response to the OP but perhaps slightly off-topic, what is the tie in with anonymity and free-speech? Could we not strip anonymity from the internet, and still leave free speech intact? Anons only say all those stupid things because they, well, are anonymous. Their rights aren't taken away when anonymity is taken away, they are just much more concerned with tarnishing their identity, as opposed to the current situation, where people don't have to worry about their identity's and can say whatever screwed up shit they please.
"If it's true then the hackers are only partially at fault. (You leave your car door unlocked with the keys inside and it gets stolen kind of thing)" I blatantly disagree with this. My dad used to constantly tell me how back in his day people left their doors unlocked and never had to worry about thieves. Whereas today everyone locks everything (myself included). Just because thieves are a banality, commonplace, in today's society, doesn't mean they are any less to blame when they go for a car that is unlocked. The blame is exactly the same whether the car was locked or unlocked, not 'partially'. And so it should be with the hackers as well.
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Uhh in response to the OP but perhaps slightly off-topic, what is the tie in with anonymity and free-speech? Could we not strip anonymity from the internet, and still leave free speech intact? Anons only say all those stupid things because they, well, are anonymous. Their rights aren't taken away when anonymity is taken away, they are just much more concerned with tarnishing their identity, as opposed to the current situation, where people don't have to worry about their identity's and can say whatever screwed up shit they please.
Anonymous people and Anonymous the group are two different things.
This [rise in prolific hacking] was bound to happen at some point. The 'authority' (ie: the laws, companies, governments, industries etc) are miles behind the 'anarchy' (ie: groups such as Anonymous, Lulsec, and the entire Warez scene) - especially in the newly allocated 'cyberwar' territory.
Like Mini Moose points out, Anonymous and anonymity are two different entities. The Pirate Bay was founded on the principles of anti-copyright laws (see: kopimi), freedom of speech and, by association, anonymity. But despite these seemingly noble pillars, if you will, of an organisation like The Pirate Bay (probably the largest and most well known file sharing distributor), the activities it makes possible are ultimately illegal.
Things are going to get worse. Welcome to the era of the data base... Your information is extremely vulnerable to hackers. But your information is already in the hands of 'authorities'. Invasion of privacy has been encroaching for the past 3 decades, with very little legality, reasoning and legislation to back it up.
@Everyone else I'm going to side with Madzombie here.. While I think there is some interesting back story to be had behind these three hackers, in that they were able to hack so many big named networks... It is hard to believe that they were, in any way, part of the series of Sony hacks.
Would they? If they were stupid enough. The entire world runs through the internet now bro. No internet = no commerce, no trade, no news, no information, no travel, no order, nothing. Literally, the world would go dark.
A much more likely scenario would involve biometric tagging and incorruptible identification of individuals at the global level. Your access to the internet will depend on the validity of your identity. Watch child pr0n, download illegal files from P2P, participate in illegal P2P (uploading), are incriminated for accessing foreign materials illegally (hacking) - will render your identity obsolete. No identity = no internet. Obviously stricter and more defined laws (hatespeech? warmongering? racism?), and territorial claims over Cyberspace will be made prior to this.
And as orwellian as it sounds... it is much more likely than the 'authorities' shutting down the internets.
Uhh in response to the OP but perhaps slightly off-topic, what is the tie in with anonymity and free-speech? Could we not strip anonymity from the internet, and still leave free speech intact? Anons only say all those stupid things because they, well, are anonymous. Their rights aren't taken away when anonymity is taken away, they are just much more concerned with tarnishing their identity, as opposed to the current situation, where people don't have to worry about their identity's and can say whatever screwed up shit they please.
Anonymous people and Anonymous the group are two different things.
A fine point to be sure, but my question remains the same.
Just another note: Any "hacker" that brags about hacking other computers is full of shit. If a hacker says they will hack you, then you can go ahead and call their bluff.
Have to disagree, knowing how dumb people are these days. Send a link to visit a site, get your IP from visiting that, use it to remote in if possible, or just drop the internet connection with a DOS. If you can remote in, view saved passwords in Firefox, get e-mail/bank/everything, etc.
Just another note: Any "hacker" that brags about hacking other computers is full of shit. If a hacker says they will hack you, then you can go ahead and call their bluff.
Have to disagree, knowing how dumb people are these days. Send a link to visit a site, get your IP from visiting that, use it to remote in if possible, or just drop the internet connection with a DOS. If you can remote in, view saved passwords in Firefox, get e-mail/bank/everything, etc.
Lots to watch out for.
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More on topic, the Spanish anon-rousers got arrested, big whoop. Life goes on as usual, government websites get cracked and defaced as usual, and this is not the major victory against black hats that it's being touted as by the media.
@oh_man, that's the basic argument against anonymity. "If they're hiding their identity then they have something to hide, so if we force them to reveal their identity we'll be able to stop their evil deeds they're hiding." I still don't know whether I'm pro or anti anonymity, as there is certainly logic behind this argument but also counter logic which makes a lot of sense.
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Oh lord. For the lulz I tried these logins at Facebook and at about the 10th try I succeeded!
But Facebook was prepared!
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Your account has been temporarily suspended
A malicious person posted a number of login credentials from various websites on a public forum. Your email was found in this list. As a security precaution your account has been temporarily suspended. You will be able to regain access to your account by completing a number of steps designed to protect your account.
It is likely that your login credentials were compromised as a result of entering your password on a website designed to look like Facebook or another familiar website. This type of attack is known as phishing. If you use the same login and password combination in multiple places on the internet, you should make sure to check all your accounts to make sure they have not been compromised.
Next page they asked for the person's age which I didn't know, of course. Tbh I wouldn't have thought that Facebook is that fast to respond. GJ
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I too use the same password for everything semi-important, simply because otherwise I'd have like 30 passwords which is just too much to handle. Online banking and eBay both have unique ones though. Too important. And porn sites and other unimportant/shady sites get a different password too, which I also share with some people.
Anonymous people and Anonymous the group are two different things.
Anyone who is anonymous on the internet is automatically part of the Anonymous group, mainly because there is no "membership", and there is no requirement to be part of the group, only the potential to be part. And people who don't affiliate themselves with the group still say stupid things because they are anonymous.
I have a list of ~50000 usernames/passwords I found online somewhere (it's actually some violinist's site storing the passwords, because the violinist was phished/hacked as well).
Facebook was pretty good about not letting me in, since it recognized that I was in the US, away from the usual country of Brazil. Since it asked for the owner's birthday, I just looked it up on the 10 or so other accounts with the same name, and got in without a problem.
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