http://www.meatvideo.com/

I found this video to be appalling and very shocking to say the least. This video is an updated version of the old meat video which was released a few years ago. I promptly saw this video and forgot about it for a few years, than i got a link and found the updated version to what it is today. It details the torturous procedure in which animals are cranked out and harvested for their natural resources. I in no way like many others who saw this will not change my diet and will be eating meat to the day i die.

This discussion is broadly about meat and your thoughts on the video itself. It also encompasses what your going to do? go vegan completely, lower your meat intake, go free range meat only, or perhaps something else?

Discussion GO ;D

Nature itself is violent. Deal with it.

The idea that those cramped places are cruel isn't entirely correct. In the wild that's how they live as well, for at least part of the time. Haven't you seen a herd of elk? There is a bit of a problem with the people who beat the animals, as that's most certainly cruel and in all honesty wastes potential food.

One could argue that they get a better deal this way. Protection from predators, free food, comfortable living (this one varies) in exchange for their freedom and a quick, painless (also may vary in some dodgy-ass places) death at a young-ish age. Versus constantly searching for food, comfortable living is only what nature provides, and constant threat of predators and more than likely a painful death at the hands of said predators. Though they do have their freedom! Something which, I suspect, they do not even appreciate.

So yes, I would tentatively argue that we give them a better deal.


Onward. Though I risk the appeal to nature fallacy, I do want to point out that evolution (and all life on the planet really) relies on a killing cycle. X kills Y which kills Z which kills A, etc. This has always occurred, for almost all of our evolutionary lifespan humans (and all our extinct ancestor species) followed this kill-or-be-killed cycle to the letter. Even today, we have to kill SOMETHING to survive, whether it be plant or animal. Either way, both are our evolutionary cousins, though I guess the counter-defence against this particular point would be that plants cannot feel pain but animals can, so killing plants is OK.

So if we really boil the argument down to avoiding unnecessary pain, I simply go back to my first point. They are getting a far better deal with us then they are getting in the wild, in terms of pain minimization.

Refutations?

Though that was disgusting 7:20 was hilarious when that guy started punching.

My diet will remain unchanged.

No they aren't. Their pain is most certainly increased, but they don't have to work as hard. They don't have to work to find food.

Movethed to Light Discussion.

I guess i should of spent more time on the op >:O still angry though.

Why is their pain increased?

It helps me stay off pork.

It's worse for the animals than in the wild, probably very much so, but being a self-interested, greedy higher being, I don't give a fuck and will continue to eat all matter of meats that I consider palatable. Good day.

So I guess it would be humane to take all the starving children in war-ridden areas of Africa and throw them in small cages and beat them daily? They'll be protected from fighting, and they'll get free food. It's all a good deal, right?

It's hard for me to take this video seriously when the narrator is so blatantly biased. Not to mention that the last minute of the video was purely propaganda.

For every animal those vegans don't eat, I will eat three.

We aren't using Africans for food... so there's absolutely no parity.

In the wild, farm animals do not have to deal with the same amount of pain associated with overpopulation and lack of movement. Every day in chicken farms, there are numerous chickens who just die due to the poor living conditions. There are certainly other causes for this behavior, but it is mostly the living conditions. They can't get around and move for much of their life, making them uncomfortable. As humans, we know that being uncomfortable for a very long time is or can lead to pain. Staying in bed when you are sick is painful, often times due to bedsores, but also due to muscle deterioration and cramps. Animals go through all sorts of treatments, such as some of those things put in the video, like horn removal, and branding. This is essentially torture, something that they would never receive in the wild. The wost they would get there is a disease which slowly and painfully causes them to die (which they also get in farms) or being ripped to shreds right before they die by some predator. There are also almost certainly fights that break out between wild animals which do not result in death, but these are self inflicted. By removing animals from their rightful place in the wild, we remove most of their free will, which PETA obviously values a lot for every living creature except plants, bacteria and fungi, among other organisms without a brain. Of course they will never go hungry, which is possibly a problem in the wild, but usually animals do a really good job of finding their own food. The cats left behind in chernobyl are doing exceptionally well, even after being abandoned by their owners.

What Rocks said. If you think it doesn't suck majorly to be them, then I'd like to stick you in your bathroom with ten people for your entire life and see how much you like it.

So somehow a few shitty and low-grade slaughterhouses doing this automatically means every single slaughterhouse in America the world is also doing this? And that we should all go vegan because of these few exceptions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse
^This is what goes on in most slaughterhouses. May also want to check out certain sections like the Law one.

I'm not saying to go Vegan. I don't give a fuck about how animals feel, just like I don't give a fuck how people are starving in Africa. I want ma' beefs. I'm simply stating that if you consider their current state to be better in any way than their natural state, you're deluding yourself. Animals evolved to live their lives a certain way, and the conditions in farms, slaughterhouses, wherever, isn't it. They adapt, of course; after living your entire life in crappy conditions, something others would take for granted would grant much greater satisfaction; but it's not the same, either way.

I think, Christianity plays a good role here. We are from the moment of birth, superior to all Animals. We are automatically given the right to control nature, and thus the right to eat beef however we like it. So no matter how Vegans blab, we will always eat beef, whenever we like, however we like, and how much we like.

Though my personal favorite meat is Chicken.

Animal's can't protest.

I'm a light meat eater, whatever that means.