So I'm both interested in the actual meaning of wise (which was an easy task of googling):
Quote from wise">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wise]wise 1 (wz); adj. wis·er, wis·est
1. Having the ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; sagacious: a wise leader.
2.
a. Exhibiting common sense; prudent: a wise decision.
b. Shrewd; crafty.
3. Having great learning; erudite.
4. Provided with information; informed. Used with to: was wise to the politics of the department.
1. Having the ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; sagacious: a wise leader.
2.
a. Exhibiting common sense; prudent: a wise decision.
b. Shrewd; crafty.
3. Having great learning; erudite.
4. Provided with information; informed. Used with to: was wise to the politics of the department.
and of how wise is actually used in spoken language, as the definitions from the dictionary page are strongly varying in meaning. (Kinda my main interest)
Objective/General part ends here, now my personal view on the matter:
2a (marked in red) is my understanding of wise and probably the same for Kame and Doodan, judging from their responses.
However I can see how payne could take the other definitions and identify himself with it:
1. Of course he's sure all his decisions are right. Who isn't?
2b. payne has ideas, so he could be considered crafty
3. & 4. (where's the difference?) Relative to his age this may be true. So should we call him a wise teenager or can wise only be applied on an absolute scale?
So I think I asked enough questions/gave opinions to start this topic. Now it's your turn SEN, discuss away.
I think much of payne's word choice may have to do with the fact he isn't a native english speaker, and he did not necessarily mean wise in that discussion.
Personally I think wisdom pertains to the knowledge a person has about living a particular fulfilling way of life, specifically in having the foresight to avoid problems, whether it be based on experience or thought, and in pursuing those things which bring happiness. Unfortunately, I don't think we can fully discuss or agree on the meaning of wise here, since as soon as I say anything about a "purpose" or "meaning" or anything along those lines pertaining to life, the opposing side who believes life is inherently meaningless will pop up and shoot everything down, and I think the nature of wisdom is inherently tied to the worldview that assumes life can be meaningful and fulfilling, and that certain petty things just aren't worth fighting over.
Essentially, I generally use definition 1 from the quote above when I think of wisdom.
Personally I think wisdom pertains to the knowledge a person has about living a particular fulfilling way of life, specifically in having the foresight to avoid problems, whether it be based on experience or thought, and in pursuing those things which bring happiness. Unfortunately, I don't think we can fully discuss or agree on the meaning of wise here, since as soon as I say anything about a "purpose" or "meaning" or anything along those lines pertaining to life, the opposing side who believes life is inherently meaningless will pop up and shoot everything down, and I think the nature of wisdom is inherently tied to the worldview that assumes life can be meaningful and fulfilling, and that certain petty things just aren't worth fighting over.
Essentially, I generally use definition 1 from the quote above when I think of wisdom.
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Aaaaand I completely agree with Vrael. I think Payne was unnecessarily insulted because he's a French-Canadian and didn't know the right word to use, and most people generally consider "Wise" to mean the first definition. "Wise" isn't considered a common trait, and is usually reserved for... well, not Payne.
"Of course he's sure all his decisions are right. Who isn't?" <--- Sounds like you're saying that everyone is wise.
Aaaaand I completely agree with Vrael. I think Payne was unnecessarily insulted because he's a French-Canadian and didn't know the right word to use, and most people generally consider "Wise" to mean the first definition. "Wise" isn't considered a common trait, and is usually reserved for... well, not Payne.
"Of course he's sure all his decisions are right. Who isn't?" <--- Sounds like you're saying that everyone is wise.
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I think it's a combination of practical thinking (common sense) and life experience. Common sense alone isn't enough.
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NudeRaider1. Of course he's sure all his decisions are right. Who isn't?
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payneNope, I keep thinking the same way.
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VraelI think much of payne's word choice may have to do with the fact he isn't a native english speaker, and he did not necessarily mean wise in that discussion
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INTELLIGENCE, WISDOM, AND CHARISMA
You can use your character’s Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores to guide you in roleplaying your character. Here is some background (just guidelines) about what these scores can mean.
A smart character (one with high Intelligence) is curious, knowledge-able, and prone to using big words. A character with a high Intelligence but low Wisdom may be smart but absentminded, or knowledgeable but lacking in common sense. A character with a high Intelligence but a low Charisma may be a know-it-all or a reclusive scholar. A smart character lacking in both Wisdom and Charisma may put her foot in her mouth often.
A character with a low Intelligence mispronounces and misuses words, has trouble following directions, or fails to get the joke.
A character with a high Wisdom score may be sensible, serene, “in tune,” alert, or centered. A character with a high Wisdom but low Intelligence may be aware, but simple. A character with high Wisdom but low Charisma knows enough to speak carefully and may become an advisor (or “power behind the throne”) rather than a leader. The wise character lacking in both Intelligence and Charisma is uncouth and unsophisticated.
A character with a low Wisdom score may be rash, imprudent, irresponsible, or “out of it.”
A character with high Charisma may be attractive, striking, personable, and confident. A character with high Charisma but a low Intelligence can usually pass herself off as knowledgeable, until she meets a true expert. A charismatic character lacking in both Intelligence and Wisdom is likely to be shallow and unaware of others’ feelings.
A character with low Charisma may be reserved, gruff, rude, fawning, or simply nondescript.
You can use your character’s Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores to guide you in roleplaying your character. Here is some background (just guidelines) about what these scores can mean.
A smart character (one with high Intelligence) is curious, knowledge-able, and prone to using big words. A character with a high Intelligence but low Wisdom may be smart but absentminded, or knowledgeable but lacking in common sense. A character with a high Intelligence but a low Charisma may be a know-it-all or a reclusive scholar. A smart character lacking in both Wisdom and Charisma may put her foot in her mouth often.
A character with a low Intelligence mispronounces and misuses words, has trouble following directions, or fails to get the joke.
A character with a high Wisdom score may be sensible, serene, “in tune,” alert, or centered. A character with a high Wisdom but low Intelligence may be aware, but simple. A character with high Wisdom but low Charisma knows enough to speak carefully and may become an advisor (or “power behind the throne”) rather than a leader. The wise character lacking in both Intelligence and Charisma is uncouth and unsophisticated.
A character with a low Wisdom score may be rash, imprudent, irresponsible, or “out of it.”
A character with high Charisma may be attractive, striking, personable, and confident. A character with high Charisma but a low Intelligence can usually pass herself off as knowledgeable, until she meets a true expert. A charismatic character lacking in both Intelligence and Wisdom is likely to be shallow and unaware of others’ feelings.
A character with low Charisma may be reserved, gruff, rude, fawning, or simply nondescript.
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https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
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Centreri"Of course he's sure all his decisions are right. Who isn't?" <--- Sounds like you're saying that everyone is wise.
Thing is, people who are not wise enough to realize that they were wrong may think that. And people who actually are wise generally make the right decisions. (of course not always)
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Fire_KameAlso, why are you taking anything I say seriously? Dude, why is it that something I said started this topic?
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VraelI think much of payne's word choice may have to do with the fact he isn't a native english speaker, and he did not necessarily mean wise in that discussion
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JaFFI think it's a combination of practical thinking (common sense) and life experience. Common sense alone isn't enough.
I like this interpretation - and I'd like to put emphasis on the 'life experience' part. I feel that wisdom comes from one's ability to utilize lessons learned through experience, rather than knowledge (with the other being intelligence, in a sense). The line is fine, but definitely there.
It's often said that wisdom comes with age; but really it should come with experience which is only partly linked to age.
Look at a typical example of a 'wise' person - the elder of a native tribe. His experiences in every facet of life - love, loss, etc - teach him everything he needs to lead his people in their environment.
I'm having trouble putting words together, though my thoughts on this seem deep. Perhaps someone else can do better.
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NudeRaiderSounds like you fell for my little trap.
Thing is, people who are not wise enough to realize that they were wrong may think that. And people who actually are wise generally make the right decisions. (of course not always)
Thing is, people who are not wise enough to realize that they were wrong may think that. And people who actually are wise generally make the right decisions. (of course not always)
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The Socratic expression is pretty concise:
I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.
I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.
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The Socratic expression is pretty concise:
I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.
I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.
Control F'ed for the quote, didn't see it. Don't paraphrase poets, please. =o
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Wise men don't think of themselves as wise.
Therefore, I say.. I'm wise. It's not what I think, it's a fact.
Therefore, I say.. I'm wise. It's not what I think, it's a fact.
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Control F'ed for the quote, didn't see it. Don't paraphrase poets, please. =o
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Philosopher, then. Don't paraphrase either. =p
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NudeRaider1. Of course he's sure all his decisions are right. Who isn't?
The conversation from that topic seemed to evolve from Kame's claim that modesty has something to do with being wise, to which I fail to draw a distinct connection. Being wise is essentially having the ability to make a greater decision, at least in my understanding of the word.
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There is a distinct paradox here though.
If you truly are modest, then you would thinkwise. You are modest. You cannot lie because you're modest, therefore you must say you're modest.
If you are not modest, then you should say you're modest. Because you are not modest, you must be not modest about things- thus you must say you're modest.
And with that, saying 'no' makes you automatically not modest.
Because if you were modest, and said 'no' to this question- then with this question, you have become not modest.
And if you were not modest, but said 'no' to this question, then with this question, you have become modest.
Of course, the correct answer in most cases should be 'I don't know. It's usually not I who judge myself, but others.'
But in something like a entrance test to some big company, then you should definitely say you're modest for several several good reasons.
They don't really care about the fact that you're not modest, but your ability to be self-confident and frank.
If you truly are modest, then you would thinkwise. You are modest. You cannot lie because you're modest, therefore you must say you're modest.
If you are not modest, then you should say you're modest. Because you are not modest, you must be not modest about things- thus you must say you're modest.
And with that, saying 'no' makes you automatically not modest.
Because if you were modest, and said 'no' to this question- then with this question, you have become not modest.
And if you were not modest, but said 'no' to this question, then with this question, you have become modest.
Of course, the correct answer in most cases should be 'I don't know. It's usually not I who judge myself, but others.'
But in something like a entrance test to some big company, then you should definitely say you're modest for several several good reasons.
They don't really care about the fact that you're not modest, but your ability to be self-confident and frank.
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Modesty is for weaks, period.
Where can it bring humanity? >_>
Where can it bring humanity? >_>
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payneModesty is for weaks, period.
Where can it bring humanity? >_>
Where can it bring humanity? >_>
Funny that you mention that, because it's the lack of it that prevents communism/socialism/whatever-you-preach from working well.
Capitalism, ho!
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