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Relationships and Cheating
Oct 18 2010, 4:42 pm
By: CecilSunkure
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Oct 18 2010, 4:42 pm CecilSunkure Post #1



Imagine you are in this scenario, or a similar one:

You are 18.

You regularly visit your friend's apartment down the street, and hang out there almost everyday. Your friend has lots of people over all the time, so the place is usually pretty full of people during the day. Your friend's apartment happens to be directly across from this guy named Jack. Jack is an older (older by about 5 years) guy. You, your friends, and Jack all attend the same school.

There is this girl named Jan who goes to your college, and she is amazingly classy and rather attractive. You and your friends like to joke around with her about how distinctly classy she is. Jan is actually also about 5 years older than you, and seems fairly responsible; everyone loves Jan. Jan also has a boyfriend that looks like Paul McCartney, so Jan is an uber awesome person. It's too bad that you've never met this Pail McCartney in person, because it would be awesome to talk with him (though you have seen him in real life before, and he does look like Paul McCartney!). It is important to note that you don't know Jan very well directly, as you have no classes with her, though you have friends that have a lot of classes with her, particularly your girlfriend.

Jack starts making comments about how he wants to have get together with Jan, and also makes comments about how even though she's in a relationship with Paul McCartney, that there are still "cracks in every relationship". This is absurd, because classy is defined as "Jan".

Later, Jack starts having sex with a pretty slutty girl, and Jack shows that he's.. Well he's horny. This makes you think that Jan is way too good for Jack.

Your friend that also attends school lets you know about how Jack treats women, and you hear things that are very surprising to you, as Jack always seems so nice to you. Jack treats women like tools for sex, and consistently makes comments to people like "Women are the easiest things in the world to manipulate." This seems weird to you, as you are friends with Jack (not close friends by any means), but he's really nice and mannered to you.

One day, you hear some outlandish rumors from some of the people that consistently hang out at your friend's apartment, about how they saw Jan and Jack together very late at night (since Jack lives directly across, as in his front door is right next to your friend's front door). This is disheartening, because Jan is just too attractive for Jack, and way too classy. Well, you suppose she isn't classy anymore.

Jan is posting all over Jack's wall on Facebook, so much so that anyone who has heard the rumor will immediately face palm themselves. Jan starts posting up love songs about giving in to your feelings, and about not being able to say no.

Jan makes a comment to your girlfriend during school about how "After some time in a relationship, you can just lose that spark, and the other person gets boring." You assume that Jan must be referring to Paul McCartney.

It is obvious that Jan is or will be in the near future cheating on Paul McCartney.

tl;dr - Go read it.

So now here is my question: What would you SENers do in this situation? I want to know how you would proceed. Would you SENers just go on with your life, taking the stance that "None of that is really my buisiness", or would you let Paul know what the hell is going on?

Imagine that you are in Paul's situation, would you want someone to let you know that Jan might be cheating on you?

Lastly? Why did you give the response you did? I'd like a discussion, not a list of what people would choose.

I ask this, because I'm in this situation right now, and would like to discuss the whole thing. Of course, Jan and Jack are dummy names, although they are really close to the real names of these real people.

For reference, here is my girlfriend's viewpoint as she knows Jan rather well:
My girlfriend knows Jan pretty well, as they have all the same classes together. My girlfriend absolutely hates Jack for how he treats people, particularly girls that Jack thinks are attractive. My girlfriend is pretty disheartened that someone so allegedly classy is so non-classy. Basically, my girlfriend is pretty disappointing in Jan (and likes to jokingly say that all women are evil now), and thinks that Jack is a total asshole whore. She also feels terribly bad for Paul, and thinks that Jan doesn't even deserve to be in a relationship at all.


Post has been edited 8 time(s), last time on Oct 18 2010, 9:26 pm by CecilSunkure.



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Oct 18 2010, 4:56 pm Roy Post #2

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I'd probably first go to Jan and say something like, "So, what's up with you and Jack?"

Depending on the answer (if it still seems like there's something going on), I would tell Paul because it's the right thing to do. If I was concerned about retaining relationships with my friends, I would try to make it anonymous (i.e. make a temporary email address and email Paul).

Either that, or do nothing. It really depends on how well I know the people.




Oct 18 2010, 5:01 pm CecilSunkure Post #3



Quote from Roy
I'd probably first go to Jan and say something like, "So, what's up with you and Jack?"
I don't know Jan very well, and it would be kinda hard to find her.

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make a temporary email address and email Paul
You don't know Paul's email address at this time.



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Oct 18 2010, 5:01 pm Azrael Post #4



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Either that, or do nothing. It really depends on how well I know the people.

He's never even seen "Paul McCartney" before, never mind knowing him. He said he barely knows Jan.




Oct 18 2010, 5:03 pm CecilSunkure Post #5



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Either that, or do nothing. It really depends on how well I know the people.

He's never even seen "Paul McCartney" before, never mind knowing him. He said he barely knows Jan.
Edited the OP. You've seen Paul, but never met him.



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Oct 18 2010, 5:03 pm Roy Post #6

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Quote from CecilSunkure
Quote from Roy
I'd probably first go to Jan and say something like, "So, what's up with you and Jack?"
I don't know Jan very well, and it would be kinda hard to find her.

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make a temporary email address and email Paul
You don't know Paul's email address at this time.

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Either that, or do nothing. It really depends on how well I know the people.

He's never even seen "Paul McCartney" before, never mind knowing him.
I change my answer to "do nothing."




Oct 18 2010, 5:03 pm Azrael Post #7



Quote from CecilSunkure
Edited the OP. You've seen Paul, but never met him.

Same difference. It's none of your business.




Oct 18 2010, 5:06 pm TiKels Post #8



Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Mind your own business.

I can't help but agree. In most situations, getting yourself mixed in non-anonymously can only be unneeded stress for yourself. You do not know Paul and Jan isn't morally situated and neither is Jack. If you had known Paul and he was a friend of yours, then maybe you should tell him, but the fact is, you would be jumping tons of boundaries just to run at a guy and tell him his girlfriend is cheating on him. Generally responses would consist of negative feelings that could only be directed at himself, the messenger, the female, Jack, or some combination. Chances are he'll lash out at you in anger (physically or emotionally, it doesn't matter). Totally not worth getting involved in.

The alternative is sending anonymous messages. If I were in the mood to get mixed in from the comfort of my own home, I would send messages to Jan saying that what she's doing is totally wrong and that you will be informing Paul. Except don't actually message Paul. Keep it vague. Jan will either drop relationships with Paul or realize what she's doing is wrong and beg for forgiveness/second chances/etc. This way one can avoid the crossfire while potentially helping the relationship if it can be helped.



"If a topic that clearly interest noone needs to be closed to underline the "we don't want this here" message, is up to debate."

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Oct 18 2010, 5:07 pm CecilSunkure Post #9



Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Quote from CecilSunkure
Edited the OP. You've seen Paul, but never met him.

Same difference. It's none of your business.
Though, is it wrong to let Paul know that you are concerned that Jan is cheating on him? Wouldn't you want someone to share their concern with you, if you were in Paul's situation?



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Oct 18 2010, 5:09 pm Azrael Post #10



Quote from CecilSunkure
Though, is it wrong to let Paul know that you are concerned that Jan is cheating on him? Wouldn't you want someone to share their concern with you, if you were in Paul's situation?

No, I would not want you to tell me you are concerned for my relationship. As Paul, I don't give a shit what you think.




Oct 18 2010, 5:11 pm TiKels Post #11



Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Quote from CecilSunkure
Though, is it wrong to let Paul know that you are concerned that Jan is cheating on him? Wouldn't you want someone to share their concern with you, if you were in Paul's situation?

No, I would not want you to tell me you are concerned for my relationship. As Paul, I don't give a shit what you think.
This is an exemplary example (LOL REDUNDANT) of what the emotions would be like for Paul. Paul doesn't KNOW you, and has no reason to TRUST you or anything you say.



"If a topic that clearly interest noone needs to be closed to underline the "we don't want this here" message, is up to debate."

-NudeRaider

Oct 18 2010, 5:12 pm CecilSunkure Post #12



Quote from TiKels
Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Quote from CecilSunkure
Though, is it wrong to let Paul know that you are concerned that Jan is cheating on him? Wouldn't you want someone to share their concern with you, if you were in Paul's situation?

No, I would not want you to tell me you are concerned for my relationship. As Paul, I don't give a shit what you think.
This is an exemplary example (LOL REDUNDANT) of what the emotions would be like for Paul. Paul doesn't KNOW you, and has no reason to TRUST you or anything you say.
Okay, if Paul doesn't give a shit, then why is it wrong for me to tell him? At least someone gave him a heads up, right?

Quote from TiKels
I would send messages to Jan saying that what she's doing is totally wrong and that you will be informing Paul. Except don't actually message Paul. Keep it vague. Jan will either drop relationships with Paul or realize what she's doing is wrong and beg for forgiveness/second chances/etc. This way one can avoid the crossfire while potentially helping the relationship if it can be helped.
No, that's too deceiving I think. That would be actually getting more involved than sending Paul a simple message about being concerned that Jan may be cheating on him. Getting in the middle of it and trying to sway Jan (or Paul) to make a particular choice is just too.. It can get too messy since you are directly trying to influence the situation towards a particular end.



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Oct 18 2010, 5:14 pm Roy Post #13

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Quote from TiKels
The alternative is sending anonymous messages. If I were in the mood to get mixed in from the comfort of my own home, I would send messages to Jan saying that what she's doing is totally wrong and that you will be informing Paul. Except don't actually message Paul. Keep it vague. Jan will either drop relationships with Paul or realize what she's doing is wrong and beg for forgiveness/second chances/etc. This way one can avoid the crossfire while potentially helping the relationship if it can be helped.
Send anonymous messages to Paul saying what he's doing is wrong while you're at it, for good measure; who knows what he's been doing.

There's really no evidence that anything is actually happening, and you barely know these people, so it's not worth it to get involved. Put on your coolface and move on.




Oct 18 2010, 5:16 pm TiKels Post #14



Nobody ever wants to find out their relationship is falling apart. Chances are he's already suspecting it and you'll only be provoking his internal suspicions. Chances are he won't want to believe you (if he cares about Jan at all) and will only get mad at you. Avoid. He doesn't even know you (as I have said).

Since you seem to have missed this post:

Quote from TiKels
Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Mind your own business.

I can't help but agree. In most situations, getting yourself mixed in non-anonymously can only be unneeded stress for yourself. You do not know Paul and Jan isn't morally situated and neither is Jack. If you had known Paul and he was a friend of yours, then maybe you should tell him, but the fact is, you would be jumping tons of boundaries just to run at a guy and tell him his girlfriend is cheating on him. Generally responses would consist of negative feelings that could only be directed at himself, the messenger, the female, Jack, or some combination. Chances are he'll lash out at you in anger (physically or emotionally, it doesn't matter). Totally not worth getting involved in.

The alternative is sending anonymous messages. If I were in the mood to get mixed in from the comfort of my own home, I would send messages to Jan saying that what she's doing is totally wrong and that you will be informing Paul. Except don't actually message Paul. Keep it vague. Jan will either drop relationships with Paul or realize what she's doing is wrong and beg for forgiveness/second chances/etc. This way one can avoid the crossfire while potentially helping the relationship if it can be helped.




"If a topic that clearly interest noone needs to be closed to underline the "we don't want this here" message, is up to debate."

-NudeRaider

Oct 18 2010, 5:17 pm fat_flying_pigs Post #15



Since your girlfriend knows Jan, why not ask her what she thinks, and if you or she should take action.

The most you should do (imo) is send an anonymous msg to Paul telling him that his gf may be cheating, send him the evidence, and let him decide what to do. Their relationship may have been very unstable, although others may not have seen it; or maybe what Jan is doing is an act of revenge for something Paul did. Either way, it isn't something you can change w/o direct intervention, which will make you look like a nosy douche to others (even if you did do the "right thing").



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Oct 18 2010, 5:17 pm Azrael Post #16



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Okay, if Paul doesn't give a shit, then why is it wrong for me to tell him? At least someone gave him a heads up, right?

No. What you are trying desperately to convince yourself is okay to do is, in fact, not okay to do. Most relationships involve cheating at some point in time, by one party or the other. Why is it you feel compelled to insert yourself into this particular man's life, and inform him of something you don't know is even true? Why would you go out of your way to cause insecurity or worse in a relationship where you don't know either party? What right do you have?

That's right, you have none. It doesn't concern you. It's none of your business.

The only one with a problem in this scenario is you, and your compulsion to involve yourself needlessly with the rest of it.

My suggestion? You should read this article. It's obvious you need to.




Oct 18 2010, 5:18 pm TiKels Post #17



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Quote from TiKels
The alternative is sending anonymous messages. If I were in the mood to get mixed in from the comfort of my own home, I would send messages to Jan saying that what she's doing is totally wrong and that you will be informing Paul. Except don't actually message Paul. Keep it vague. Jan will either drop relationships with Paul or realize what she's doing is wrong and beg for forgiveness/second chances/etc. This way one can avoid the crossfire while potentially helping the relationship if it can be helped.
Send anonymous messages to Paul saying what he's doing is wrong while you're at it, for good measure; who knows what he's been doing.

There's really no evidence that anything is actually happening, and you barely know these people, so it's not worth it to get involved. Put on your coolface and move on.
Read it again.



"If a topic that clearly interest noone needs to be closed to underline the "we don't want this here" message, is up to debate."

-NudeRaider

Oct 18 2010, 5:19 pm Azrael Post #18



Quote from Roy
There's really no evidence that anything is actually happening, and you barely know these people, so it's not worth it to get involved. Put on your coolface and move on.

This is the correct answer.




Oct 18 2010, 5:20 pm CecilSunkure Post #19



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Since your girlfriend knows Jan, why not ask her what she thinks, and if you or she should take action.
Oh, let me fill you all in on my girlfriend's stance:

My girlfriend knows Jan pretty well, as they have all the same classes together. My girlfriend absolutely hates Jack for how he treats people, particularly girls that Jack thinks are attractive. My girlfriend is pretty disheartened that someone so allegedly classy is so non-classy. Basically, my girlfriend is pretty disappointing in Jan (and likes to jokingly say that all women are evil now), and thinks that Jack is a total asshole whore. She also feels terribly bad for Paul, and thinks that Jan doesn't even deserve to be in a relationship at all.

Quote from Azrael
Why is it you feel compelled to insert yourself into this particular man's life, and inform him of something you don't know is even true? Why would you go out of your way to cause insecurity or worse in a relationship where you don't know either party? What right do you have?
I would be informing him of my concern, I wouldn't say that Jan is definitely cheating on him. I wouldn't be the cause of a problem or breaking of the relationship, as I wouldn't be the one cheating on anyone. If anyone would be to blame for the relationship failing, it would be Jan or Paul. This is because their relationship wouldn't end if Jan wasn't actually cheating, though it would end if she was, despite me informing Paul in either situation.

Quote from Roy
There's really no evidence that anything is actually happening, and you barely know these people, so it's not worth it to get involved. Put on your coolface and move on.
Quote from CecilSunkure
It is obvious that Jan is or will be in the near future cheating on Paul McCartney.
No, there's no hard evidence, but it's obvious and very very likely to be true.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 18 2010, 5:28 pm by CecilSunkure.



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Oct 18 2010, 5:20 pm Neki Post #20



How can Paul not see all the facebook posts by Jan? Should be obvious to him what is going on.



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