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Homosexuality: Nature vs. Nurture
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Aug 31 2007, 7:41 pm
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Nature or Nurture?
Nature or Nurture?
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Both 27
 
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Aug 15 2008, 4:27 am BiOAtK Post #341



I'm beginning to think Falkoner is trolling ;D



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Aug 15 2008, 5:21 am Falkoner Post #342



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One can mark a check on a paper labelled "homosexual" and be neither silent nor "[be] thowing gay pride parades [etc] ..."

And yet they do not, and I stated a couple examples of things they do, I don't throw White parades, now do I? Or straight parades for that matter, there is no reason for them to.



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Aug 15 2008, 5:30 am EzDay281 Post #343



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And yet they do not, and I stated a couple examples of things they do, I don't throw White parades, now do I? Or straight parades for that matter, there is no reason for them to.
... uh.
Because I'm sure that the sources you cited get their information by asking the people in gay parades about what STDs they have or don't have, since that's the only way that homosexuals ever communicate their state, right?

While contextual evidence leads me to disagree with Anonymous' proposition, it's suddenly seeming more and more reasonable.



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Aug 15 2008, 6:07 am Demented Shaman Post #344



Quote from Falkoner
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One can mark a check on a paper labelled "homosexual" and be neither silent nor "[be] thowing gay pride parades [etc] ..."

And yet they do not, and I stated a couple examples of things they do, I don't throw White parades, now do I? Or straight parades for that matter, there is no reason for them to.
Wow, that would be like living in the 1960's as a white person saying I don't hold protests and bus boycotts like those damn sreggin do. :-_-:



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Aug 15 2008, 2:42 pm Praetor Post #345

layin' in the cut

Holy fuck this topic is long.. I've read a few pages, but not all of them. I may have even posted in this topic before; its been awhile since I've been on SEN actively. I will simply state some opinions/questions/facts.

I believe that for the most part, homosexual people are born homosexual. Of course, I think there are occasions that this isn't the case - just as those raised in violent homes are more likely to be violent to their own children or people who's parents are obese will become obese themselves, or parents with values and morals will have children with values and morals.

I don't find homosexual people inherently immoral or bad, and I don't think it is for anyone or any government to judge if they should be treated any differently. The only line I would draw is if a homosexual man was hitting on me.

My friend (who works full-time at a church) (don't know what he is - he got promoted a bunch, I think he is pretty high up at this particular church) has learned languages specifically to read the Bible in different languages - he says that the Bible has been so mistranslated, edited, and bastardized by the English language, nearly nothing of it is the same as the "original". In fact, he went on to state that those who quote the bible as being anti-gay are just plain wrong. He is a die-hard Christian, and yet he supports homosexuals.

I find Falkoner quite pitiful for all his gay-bashing. It actually sickens me to read some of the things he said.

I do agree with some things, however... Things like Gay Pride Parades are just unnecessary, and do whatever you want behind closed doors, but don't show it to me in public, ty ty.

I have done research in school on many of these comments saying that STDs and STIs are more rapidly spread through homosexuals. This used to be the case, do to in the past things like condoms being taboo, but in the current age, STDs and STIs are actually spread more globally through heterosexuals then homosexuals, do to poor living conditions in much of the world, especially places like Africa, where for many the best protection available is dirty plastic bags from dumps (no, I'm not making this up) that usually have holes in them.

I found it amusing whoever said the thing about the dogs on the island... even if they were straight, it wouldn't matter... if they were all male and they weren't fucking each other, they would still be dead, yet they would be unsatisfied lol.

And I leave you with this thought:

If there were a couple of hot bi chicks willing to sleep with you and each other, and you had a condom or they were stdfree and had birth control, wouldn't you take the opportunity? I certainly would. That would be hot. ;)



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Aug 15 2008, 4:35 pm BiOAtK Post #346



Thanks Praetor, you have made much sense and I think your arguements are damn good. :D



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Aug 15 2008, 5:45 pm LegacyWeapon Post #347



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I find Falkoner quite pitiful for all his gay-bashing. It actually sickens me to read some of the things he said.
Nice argumentum ad personam.

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If there were a couple of hot bi chicks willing to sleep with you and each other, and you had a condom or they were stdfree and had birth control, wouldn't you take the opportunity? I certainly would. That would be hot. ;)
Red Herring



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Aug 15 2008, 8:22 pm Vi3t-X Post #348



Offtopic: Topic title was taken from "Tripping the Rift".

Everything that happens to you is chemical. Theoretically you could "change" gays Praetor.



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Aug 15 2008, 11:22 pm Falkoner Post #349



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If there were a couple of hot bi chicks willing to sleep with you and each other, and you had a condom or they were stdfree and had birth control, wouldn't you take the opportunity? I certainly would. That would be hot. ;)

No, I wouldn't. Morals.

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I have done research in school on many of these comments saying that STDs and STIs are more rapidly spread through homosexuals. This used to be the case, do to in the past things like condoms being taboo, but in the current age, STDs and STIs are actually spread more globally through heterosexuals then homosexuals, do to poor living conditions in much of the world, especially places like Africa, where for many the best protection available is dirty plastic bags from dumps (no, I'm not making this up) that usually have holes in them.

Percentage wise, or numbers wise?

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Yeah, because having sexual relations with the same sex totally produces infants with genetic disorders. The reason incest is taboo is becuase its known to cause genetic maladies.

Also, back to what this, does this mean that as long as my sister has had her tubes tied I can have sex with her? It all comes down to morals, I'd say having sex with a sibling is more natural than being homosexual, and it's practiced extremely regularly in animals. Speaking of animals, lesbian animals have been posted, but have any gay animals been?



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Aug 15 2008, 11:47 pm BiOAtK Post #350



Not posted, but it occurs regularly.



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Aug 15 2008, 11:54 pm Falkoner Post #351



You make me post sources, post yours.



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Aug 16 2008, 12:39 am Kaias Post #352



Quote from Praetor
I found it amusing whoever said the thing about the dogs on the island... even if they were straight, it wouldn't matter... if they were all male and they weren't fucking each other, they would still be dead, yet they would be unsatisfied lol.
You are a complete moron to assume that all the dogs in that analogy would be the same gender.



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Aug 16 2008, 12:41 am BiOAtK Post #353



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html



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Aug 16 2008, 1:02 am A_of-s_t Post #354

aka idmontie

O shit, whatcha gunna do nao?

On a more serious note, this "moral" thing you speak of Falkoner is all a matter of perspective. The reason it was immoral is because of the genetic disorders that would insue. This has put a bad connotation on incest. So, if these genetic maladies didn't occur, then it would NOT be looked down upon. Its sociology and psychology at its best.



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Aug 16 2008, 2:33 am Falkoner Post #355



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On a more serious note, this "moral" thing you speak of Falkoner is all a matter of perspective. The reason it was immoral is because of the genetic disorders that would insue. This has put a bad connotation on incest. So, if these genetic maladies didn't occur, then it would NOT be looked down upon. Its sociology and psychology at its best.

Why is polygamy considered immoral then?



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Aug 16 2008, 2:44 am Demented Shaman Post #356



Quote from Falkoner
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On a more serious note, this "moral" thing you speak of Falkoner is all a matter of perspective. The reason it was immoral is because of the genetic disorders that would insue. This has put a bad connotation on incest. So, if these genetic maladies didn't occur, then it would NOT be looked down upon. Its sociology and psychology at its best.

Why is polygamy considered immoral then?
cuz dem ho's are selfish.



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Aug 16 2008, 2:52 am BiOAtK Post #357



Taboo != immoral



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Aug 16 2008, 3:28 am Brontobyte Post #358



Quote from Vi3t-X
Offtopic: Topic title was taken from "Tripping the Rift".

Everything that happens to you is chemical. Theoretically you could "change" gays Praetor.

That would be cool. Have like a morning after pill for gays. You take the pill with like 2 gallons of water and then you're straight.



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Aug 16 2008, 3:44 am Armony Post #359



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Offtopic: Topic title was taken from "Tripping the Rift".
I have no idea what "Tripping the Rift" is. This was the best name for the topic I could think of at the time.

By the way, I've completely lost interest in this topic after the first page because it was turned into a religious battle instead of a discussion/survey as it was intended. All people were asked for was their opinion and why they thought that way. Nothing was in the topic about discussing the morality of homosexuality at all, or whether you could personally be homosexual. Nothing was in the topic about religion. Thinking the way you do because of your religion is fine, but bringing in morality and religion was off topic. Thank you all for teaching me that 4chan has a rival. A much more serious thank you to people who did not go off topic/troll/spam.



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Aug 16 2008, 4:26 am EzDay281 Post #360



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Offtopic: Topic title was taken from "Tripping the Rift".
If you're referring to the "Homosexuality: Nature vs. Nurture"...
""Nature vs. Nurture" is a common phrase referring to the question of whether or not a particular trait among people is the result of genetics or of their outside situation.
Arguably, it could be reasoned as that the "nurture" refers to "nurturing of [particular trait]," in which case the phrase is quite accurate."
from one of my older posts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture

Or, a better link, I would think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals



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