In school, I'm taking a subject known as [I]Universal Studies[/I]. This class is pretty much a serious debate class where we pick some issues to research and present to the class, then we gather everyone's view and have a debate. I thought today, that the topics in this class would be perfect for this section in SEN's forum. So, our class's first topic is: homosexuality. First sub topic is: Nature vs. Nurture. Which side do you believe, and why do you believe in what you do? I believe that it is an inherent charactaristic, similar to skill at things. AKA, [I]Nature[/I]

In school, I'm taking a subject known as Universal Studies. This class is pretty much a serious debate class where we pick some issues to research and present to the class, then we gather everyone's view and have a debate. I thought today, that the topics in this class would be perfect for this section in SEN's forum. So, our class's first topic is: homosexuality. First sub topic is: Nature vs. Nurture. Which side do you believe, and why do you believe in what you do?

I believe that it is an inherent charactaristic, similar to skill at things. AKA, Nature

It's the devil's influence. God didn't intend for there to be homosexuality.

It's the devil's influence. God didn't intend for there to be homosexuality.

Have you ever SPOKE to God? And if stuff he didn't intend to happen happened, how do we know his "divine plan" isn't flawed? Anyway with the topic at hand, I have nothing against homosexuals. Hell, there's nothing TO hold against them. They're still a person, just like any heterosexual. I believe it's mainly a Nature thing, but there's got to be some homosexuals that chose their orientation. But honestly, I never understood why this is something people put such a serious emphasis on. It just shows how people are constantly trying to poke around everyone else's life.

Have you ever SPOKE to God? And if stuff he didn't intend to happen happened, how do we know his "divine plan" isn't flawed?
Anyway with the topic at hand, I have nothing against homosexuals. Hell, there's nothing TO hold against them. They're still a person, just like any heterosexual. I believe it's mainly a Nature thing, but there's got to be some homosexuals that chose their orientation. But honestly, I never understood why this is something people put such a serious emphasis on. It just shows how people are constantly trying to poke around everyone else's life.

I believe you can be both born homosexual and turn to homosexuality from heterosexuality.

I believe you can be both born homosexual and turn to homosexuality from heterosexuality.

[Quote=Crystal Fire Dragon]Have you ever SPOKE to God? And if stuff he didn't intend to happen happened, how do we know his "divine plan" isn't flawed? Anyway with the topic at hand, I have nothing against homosexuals. Hell, there's nothing TO hold against them. They're still a person, just like any heterosexual. I believe it's mainly a Nature thing, but there's got to be some homosexuals that chose their orientation. But honestly, I never understood why this is something people put such a serious emphasis on. It just shows how people are constantly trying to poke around everyone else's life.[/Quote] It's in the bible.

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Have you ever SPOKE to God? And if stuff he didn't intend to happen happened, how do we know his "divine plan" isn't flawed?
Anyway with the topic at hand, I have nothing against homosexuals. Hell, there's nothing TO hold against them. They're still a person, just like any heterosexual. I believe it's mainly a Nature thing, but there's got to be some homosexuals that chose their orientation. But honestly, I never understood why this is something people put such a serious emphasis on. It just shows how people are constantly trying to poke around everyone else's life.

It's in the bible.

I am not too sure so I chose cant decide. Certainly none of us are born with any sexual preferance (or at least i hope not) but as we mature we find out if we are hetero homo or bisexual. But in some instances Homosexuality is definately a choice. And indeed in the bible sodomy, or sexual behavior without the intent to procreate or vaginal intercourse was a great sin. One so great that they were screwed by asteroids.

I am not too sure so I chose cant decide. Certainly none of us are born with any sexual preferance (or at least i hope not) but as we mature we find out if we are hetero homo or bisexual. But in some instances Homosexuality is definately a choice.

And indeed in the bible sodomy, or sexual behavior without the intent to procreate or vaginal intercourse was a great sin. One so great that they were screwed by asteroids.

God didn't mean for us to be gay, "The sacred power of procreation be employed, only between a man and a woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife" It's not in nature, I don't see how you can find other people the same sex attractive, a guy naturally wants to be able to be the powerful one in a relationship, and a girl naturally wants to find a stronger and brave person. Finding the same sex attractive is just sick. I really think that it is of the devil.

God didn't mean for us to be gay, "The sacred power of procreation be employed, only between a man and a woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife"

It's not in nature, I don't see how you can find other people the same sex attractive, a guy naturally wants to be able to be the powerful one in a relationship, and a girl naturally wants to find a stronger and brave person. Finding the same sex attractive is just sick. I really think that it is of the devil.

To bring God into this argument is null and void, because we aren't talking about whether it is right or not. Just stop talking about God or I'll have to report this topic. The question is whether it arises from peer pressure or genetics.

To bring God into this argument is null and void, because we aren't talking about whether it is right or not. Just stop talking about God or I'll have to report this topic. The question is whether it arises from peer pressure or genetics.

Ah, but homosexuality is a religious subject, as in most religions it is counted as an extremely abominable sin. And religion is one of the reasons why I think it is wrong, although just naturally I know that it is wrong, just thinking about it sickens me. Gayness cannot be natural as it was not practiced in the darker ages, it is only in modern day times when people are so screwed up to the point of not believing in God that they are gay. Homosexuality is NOT okay, you say we have nothing to be angry at them for? Maybe we are angry about them disobeying an order from God, and maybe because THEY ARE GAY?! I mean, really, how stupid can you get to think that it's okay for some high-pitched piece of crap to go around and pick which men they like, YOU should be sickened by them, because it is just wrong.

Ah, but homosexuality is a religious subject, as in most religions it is counted as an extremely abominable sin. And religion is one of the reasons why I think it is wrong, although just naturally I know that it is wrong, just thinking about it sickens me.

Gayness cannot be natural as it was not practiced in the darker ages, it is only in modern day times when people are so screwed up to the point of not believing in God that they are gay.

Homosexuality is NOT okay, you say we have nothing to be angry at them for? Maybe we are angry about them disobeying an order from God, and maybe because THEY ARE GAY?! I mean, really, how stupid can you get to think that it's okay for some high-pitched piece of crap to go around and pick which men they like, YOU should be sickened by them, because it is just wrong.

Actually, you just answered your own question. Why were there no reports of gays? There can be two explanations: There were no gay people, or gay people were too fearful to report their sexuality. Keep in mind that in darker ages, people like you would simply kill gays. It was certainly more taboo than it was now. Would you have admitted that you were a Jew in Nazi Germany? How about admitting you were of African descent in Colonial America?

Actually, you just answered your own question.
Why were there no reports of gays? There can be two explanations: There were no gay people, or gay people were too fearful to report their sexuality. Keep in mind that in darker ages, people like you would simply kill gays. It was certainly more taboo than it was now. Would you have admitted that you were a Jew in Nazi Germany? How about admitting you were of African descent in Colonial America?

You know, that is actually one thing that Hitler did intelligently, he was killing gays as well, I'm not saying it was right, it was still wrong, but he had a better reason to do it, I don't see how you find it "okay" for them to continue their lives in the sick state they are in, if they change their ways, I'm fine with that, but it's just wrong in my mind and completely unnatural.

You know, that is actually one thing that Hitler did intelligently, he was killing gays as well, I'm not saying it was right, it was still wrong, but he had a better reason to do it, I don't see how you find it "okay" for them to continue their lives in the sick state they are in, if they change their ways, I'm fine with that, but it's just wrong in my mind and completely unnatural.

Well them dirty religious hicks, too bad Hitlar or Stelin or whatever didn't rape them with spades and burn them in ovens. Relirgen is so unnatural, dinosaurs never had it, they know what's right. It makes me sick thinking about dem churches.

Well them dirty religious hicks, too bad Hitlar or Stelin or whatever didn't rape them with spades and burn them in ovens. Relirgen is so unnatural, dinosaurs never had it, they know what's right. It makes me sick thinking about dem churches.

I am NOT supporting what Hitler did, I just think that he had a much [I]better[/I] reason for killing gays than for killing Jews, while gays were just 'inpure' in his opinion, Jews were simply a scapegoat. I really have a problem with homosexuality, it is just sick to like the same sex, with proper upbringing I guarantee that someone will not become gay.

I am NOT supporting what Hitler did, I just think that he had a much better reason for killing gays than for killing Jews, while gays were just 'inpure' in his opinion, Jews were simply a scapegoat. I really have a problem with homosexuality, it is just sick to like the same sex, with proper upbringing I guarantee that someone will not become gay.

I think religious people are "inpure", I suppose that means I should kill them off too. I mean, while you may not support what Hitler did, you thought he was "right" for killing off gays. May I ask what you consider a proper upbringing? Child beating? Beat some sense into your gay failure?

I think religious people are "inpure", I suppose that means I should kill them off too. I mean, while you may not support what Hitler did, you thought he was "right" for killing off gays. May I ask what you consider a proper upbringing? Child beating? Beat some sense into your gay failure?

As I have said, it is unnatural, so you do not need to beat it out of them, and as I also said, I do not find what Hitler did 'right'.

As I have said, it is unnatural, so you do not need to beat it out of them, and as I also said, I do not find what Hitler did 'right'.

You edited your post. [QUOTE]You know, that is actually one thing that Hitler did intelligently, he was killing gays as well, I'm not saying it was right, it was still wrong, but he had a better reason to do it,[/QUOTE] The part where you said "I'm not saying it was right, it was still wrong", was completely omitted, and the word "intelligently" was the word "right". Don't attempt to pull something like that for the sake of improving your argument. Also, what if you met a gay child that refused to turn straight? What would be your next course of actions?

You edited your post.

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You know, that is actually one thing that Hitler did intelligently, he was killing gays as well, I'm not saying it was right, it was still wrong, but he had a better reason to do it,

The part where you said "I'm not saying it was right, it was still wrong", was completely omitted, and the word "intelligently" was the word "right".
Don't attempt to pull something like that for the sake of improving your argument.


Also, what if you met a gay child that refused to turn straight? What would be your next course of actions?

I didn't mean to say that, as you can tell later in my sentence from the "I'm not saying it was right" and that made it sound like I was contradicting myself, so I changed it. If a gay child refused to turn straight, then he has serious issues and I would call him a serious pansy.

I didn't mean to say that, as you can tell later in my sentence from the "I'm not saying it was right" and that made it sound like I was contradicting myself, so I changed it.

If a gay child refused to turn straight, then he has serious issues and I would call him a serious pansy.

Doesn't matter, you attempted to act like you never said it. You would call him a serious pansy? What if he enjoyed that? What would be your next course of action?

Doesn't matter, you attempted to act like you never said it.
You would call him a serious pansy? What if he enjoyed that? What would be your next course of action?

PwnPirate, quit spewing bullshit please? All your doing is slamming people who believe differently from you. Homosexuality is unnatural. It wasn't the way humans were designed to...interact. This is obvious in our physical design. Homosexual people for the most part come from difficult unbringings or suffer from depression.

PwnPirate, quit spewing bullshit please? All your doing is slamming people who believe differently from you.

Homosexuality is unnatural. It wasn't the way humans were designed to...interact. This is obvious in our physical design. Homosexual people for the most part come from difficult unbringings or suffer from depression.

There is strong evidence that people are born into being homosexual. Also, homosexual couples have brought up straight kids, and they have no inclination to acting or being homosexual.

There is strong evidence that people are born into being homosexual. Also, homosexual couples have brought up straight kids, and they have no inclination to acting or being homosexual.