Yes - that is why I replied. Selfishness can extend beyond you, yourself, to organizations related to you, such as school or family. If you had to choose between giving your family or another family $10,000, which would you choose? It's not technically giving yourself $10,000 because it goes to the family, but you still get to see the benefits.


Great quote you have there, Kellimus. Maybe next time you could bother to read it before posting something out of your ass just to sound argumentative. Put since you insist on sounding like an idiot, here:

I see a whole of "us" and "we" and not enough of "everyone around." As I said, selfish. Not only does what Yenku said sound selfish, but the very way he describes it also sounds selfish.

It's a shame the word terrorism has such a horrible connotation even when it is for a good reason.

I believe you missed some points I have made throughout this topic. Look at the situation from an objective standpoint: More people get to enjoy what is rightfully theirs without the dam while we at school alone, have a rejuvenated fish population and a beautiful pond. It only seems wrong to the family that had the dam. I would wholeheartedly agree that it would be wrong to destroy the dam IF the stream began and ended on their property, but it does not. It winds a great deal throughout the county and
made the small valley our school is in.

It's called apathy. If you learn anything about the American public, you should learn that there is an over-abundance of apathy. Enough people just didn't care that the little creek behind their yard wasn't flowing, all they care about is their nice looking lawn and their next promotion.

They used it for what they wanted at the cost of the entire stream to everyone else. We do not block it for the hundreds of people downstream. Is that not clear in the rest of my comments?

True words. I do my best to contribute what I can. I also belief in rationality, and I think it more practical and rational to make a swift action on the matter. It hurts nothing except for the narrow minds of the few who owned the dam.

Yes, but even if they somehow could, that gives no justification to block a dam that runs through their property.

I have to explain myself more thoroughly, I see. My friend, "Smeynal" for a names sake, and I are working on two different things. The one that will remain a small group that trains for a grim future if we ever encounter it. At THAT point, we may feel it necessary to take full responsibility of overthrowing or breaking off from a certain power.
Since this idea has started, we have had another goal in mind: We wish to make a public organization will be one that writes up petitions, talks to people, raises money, spreads awareness, etc. about issues we feel are important and overlooked. We weren't sure at first if we would follow through with this, but we hope to at least make efforts to prevent total obliviousness to certain issues. I cannot currently say how broad the issues will be this covers, but I know we plan to do our part. I will say that the efforts we make will be a good thing to do from the objective standpoint, this is to avoid any egotism that could come up.

So, your answer is "Hey, you're right. Nobody cared."

Freaken sweet. The people didnt care but you instead "spoke out" for them and did the badness yourself.

There are lots of things people disagree with that they do nothing about. Yenku did something. That is clearly a major core of his group; they are going to be do-er's. I'm starting to get annoyed that I have to explain all of yenku's postitions for you guys; he is making it plenty clear. If you would just accept what he's doing for what it is, and not what it is not, it might make more sense to you. Moving on...



No and no.

Why bother Dapperdan? JordaN is simply too ignorant to understand, and frazz doesn't attempt to.

I know, I know.

You're so polite WoaHorde. Tactful too. (Like I'm one to talk. Then again, at least my posts have some element of argument, rather than being pure flame.)

The way yenku put it didn't sound like there was a lack of action, it sounded like nobody honestly cared.

Don't care?

Also remember, try to collapse the entire dam. or they can easily fill it with cement. that harms environments too.

That's not really an issue. We already did it, and they wouldn't have the nerve to do it again. I mean they brought it to the police themselves with a complaint, now the cops are acknowledging it and would do something about it if they put it back up.

Anyway. I'm done with this thread. I wouldn't call it a complete disaster because now I fully understand how people will react to the whole idea. From this I learned that I really must make my goals clear and make them unmistakably for the good of all and not as rash decisions.

Peace.

Lets see

I'm sorry but that doesnt fit into the category. Now lets rephrase something shall we?

Hmm so enough people doesn't mean all of them but a majority of them really as mentioned didn't care.
And by the looks of it they wouldn't of cared about the creek anyway because they have better things to do then complain over water. Now when I meant "spoke out" I meant that Yenku clearly circled around the fact that people didnt care about the stream so instead he took a position of a "whole audience" that would of. But there was no audience to start out with because they didn't care.

In fact, Yenku is playing robin hood. He does what is bad to do what is good. But no one cared in the first place so his attempts where futile. And if you want me to define this for you WoaHorde and Dapper then here it is.

So now for you two, please stop using the word ignorant in a place that once again is not really meaning of anything.

JordanN, tell me, how often do you care for animal rights? Or homeless people? Or starving children in Africa? The fact that you don't care doesen't mean problem doesen't exist.

Yenku, if you want to spread awareness and get support from the people, remove the word "terrorist" from "eco-terrorist"...

Jaff are you trying to attack my authoritay?!?!?!

I care alot about animal rights, but not in a berserk PETA way. I believe those who torture animals "in the most unhumane thing ever" should be dead. Like in the news there was this guy who hooked up his dog to the car and while driving dragged him to death. That person should be put to death for that. But for things like KFC where they kill the chickens then believe me or not I pass. As long as the food is not tainted I dont care. But PETA as I compared the group to Yenku...

Homeless people is a so,so. I wont just be like "hey, heres a $100. Make the best out of it" because I know the person will use it for drugs. But if it's like a homeless who really wants to get back up there then I'll give him a toonie.

Africa I don't give a shit. I'm not wasting any money for those dumbasses that are destroying there own continent. Those starving children you see you can blame on there parents who just sell out and kill themselves with A.I.D.S. China might be bad but at least they know how to fix themselves such as training doctors to go to foreign countries and try to save them. But when its Africa? Hell no.

But why should a person care for each of those things? Most of those situation happens on someone else's be half. You shouldn't be the ass and clean up for them.

I hereby sever any perceived link between me and JordanN.

You used the fact that there were no people who openly speak against the dam as an argument against yenku, claiming that if they don't care he had no right to fix the problem. You failed, because the problem existed, and those people would do nothing. End of story.

Most people wake up only when the problem is knocking on their door...

Ahem. That's that whole damn point. What right gave him to go blow up the dam with no reasonable consent. He did it only on his be-half. If no one cares that the public stream wasn't running then what was point. Just so you can have it too? And what problem. It was only his problem, not anyone else's.

Took you long enough.

Jordann, you're an ignoramus. Stop trying to pretend you're not.


This is the type of stuff that belongs in a CAFG signature in order to mock you.

Stop replying to Jordann people, just stop, please.

Leaving me a winner. Go ahead and support your thoughts and ideas, I'll stick to mine.
The fact that blowing up a dam to just get water flowing is a joke.
Because its true? Sure why not. And I don't see how it mocks me in fact I think its just showing my true opinion.


Good. You started something for nothing.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 9 2007, 2:43 am by JordanN.

You really are an ignoramus.
It's like you read what you want to read..
This is your quote JordanN, read what you responded to. You should see exactly what I mean.

For the last time...
And on behalf of the environment, the law (with good reason) and some people who actually do care. I didn't say no one cared, just not enough to start something big over it.

I'm such a hypocrite.