And do what? You saw the number of people supporting him on this. If the media gets a hold of any court case against it, it is going to be big. And chances are most people would think it is the right thing. And most likely someone somewhere would do something about it, or take from their example and do the same. It doesn't matter if it is illegal, if most of the people are against it, laws have a loosened grasp. Laws serve the people, not the reverse.
I have lots of examples how laws are being broken:
1. The prosecution of german-americans during WWI
2. The prosecution of japanese-americans during WWII
3. OUR COUNTRY BEING FORMED (ZOMG HAX)
4. The civil war.

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I honestly would be surprised if you are still doing this a year from now. If you are, more power to you.

We've been talking about it since last October. I doubt we'll give up that easily, the reason why this is so hard for us to define is because we actually want to make some sort of lifestyle out of it, it's not just something to call ourselves, we're going to live by this group day in and day out.

I can tell you what you want right now. You want what you want when you want it all the time regardless of what other people think, regardless of legality.
You can't make a statement because it basically comes out to "We do whatever we want, it doesn't matter if we have to blow something up to get there. Oh, and there's the environment too, secondary."
In a way, you're a communist. Other people who have more money and power do things you don't like; you think everyone should be equal.

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In a way, you're a communist. Other people who have more money and power do things you don't like; you think everyone should be equal.

I do believe the nation needs more socialist policy.

^= communist.

We already have welfare and such. The only real step further is straight up communism.

Welfare is stupid. You are so arrogant.

I am not a communist. I am a problem solver. It's what I do, its what I've been taught to do, and it's what I will continue doing until the world understands.

"welfare and such" are probably what makes people in America think that socialism doesn't work. BECAUSE we made stupid socialist policy.

Health care should be universal. I don't care what anyone says, there are just too many reasons why it's necessary and why it can work beautifully. If you argue against it, then you better have another solution rather than status quo because status quo isn't helping.

I'm going to get back on topic.


Don't bother telling me what I am doing is illegal. Most of the things I do are probably illegal, yet I'm one of the most considerate and rational people I know.

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I honestly would be surprised if you are still doing this a year from now. If you are, more power to you.

We've been talking about it since last October. I doubt we'll give up that easily, the reason why this is so hard for us to define is because we actually want to make some sort of lifestyle out of it, it's not just something to call ourselves, we're going to live by this group day in and day out.

I can tell you what you want right now. You want what you want when you want it all the time regardless of what other people think, regardless of legality.
You can't make a statement because it basically comes out to "We do whatever we want, it doesn't matter if we have to blow something up to get there. Oh, and there's the environment too, secondary."
In a way, you're a communist. Other people who have more money and power do things you don't like; you think everyone should be equal.

Just so you know, this group is not single issued. It is a reform party in all senses. We will make a statement. We have set ideas. Parallel to that, we are ACTIVISTS. Not contented teens who like seeing the world we have to live in go down the drain.
Don't try and tell me we're just making things up as we go. We haven't gone yet. We will get this started, and it will be clear what we want.

Don't bother calling me a communist, I can out-argue you on that any day. Make another topic for it or PM me.

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Health care should be universal. I don't care what anyone says, there are just too many reasons why it's necessary and why it can work beautifully. If you argue against it, then you better have another solution rather than status quo because status quo isn't helping.

I never said universal health care was bad. Sounds like a good thing to me.

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Just so you know, this group is not single issued. It is a reform party in all senses. We will make a statement. We have set ideas. Parallel to that, we are ACTIVISTS. Not contented teens who like seeing the world we have to live in go down the drain.
Don't try and tell me we're just making things up as we go. We haven't gone yet. We will get this started, and it will be clear what we want.

What have you done besides blowing up a dam?

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Don't bother telling me what I am doing is illegal. Most of the things I do are probably illegal, yet I'm one of the most considerate and rational people I know.

The fact that you consider yourself so awesome does not impress, nor surprise me.

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We will make a statement.

I will give you all my minerals if you can think of a good statement and actually stick to it.

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We have set ideas.

Like what?

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What have you done besides blowing up a dam?

You do reailze you said this in response to him saying they haven't really started yet, right? Wake up.

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The fact that you consider yourself so awesome does not impress, nor surprise me.

No one fucking cares if it impresses you or not. Just because he's not being modest doesn't make him any more arrogant than you. Get off his back and stay on topic.

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Like what?

It should be pretty clear to you he has no intentions of telling you what his ideas for their statements are, maybe when he actually has one he will.

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Rash? Do you forget that I mentioned they ignored our letters, and we can't do shit to stop them? We don't want the issue to be carried through courts for the next several years. The faculty of the school doesn't care enough to support a school-issued complaint anyway.
Illegal doesn't make it wrong.
I honestly hope, one day, you realize what kind of cop out it is to be contented in a society that can ignore actual suffering in the world and instead use it's amazing power to create sustainable communities and a food supply for all. It's about time I've actually started informing others and employing ideas I know will contribute to a better society.

I can see how organizations like the Salvation Army, Compassion, and every damn AIDS relief project in this nation is 'ignoring actual suffering.' Thanks for opening my eyes.

Dapperdan: I'm surprised you have such faith in him. Or maybe you just don't appreciate my arguments (they were pretty crummy ones, except for that last one I think). Either way, I'm pretty sure their group will come to nothing, and they will never have a real statement that doesn't mirror what I've already said. I guess we'll see.

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Dapperdan: I'm surprised you have such faith in him. Or maybe you just don't appreciate my arguments (they were pretty crummy ones, except for that last one I think). Either way, I'm pretty sure their group will come to nothing, and they will never have a real statement that doesn't mirror what I've already said. I guess we'll see.

The latter, mostly, note this quote from me earlier.

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I honestly would be surprised if you are still doing this a year from now. If you are, more power to you.

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I can see how organizations like the Salvation Army, Compassion, and every damn AIDS relief project in this nation is 'ignoring actual suffering.' Thanks for opening my eyes.

I don't believe those organizations represent the entire country. Besides, if the US actually put its efforts towards those things, a lot would be way better right now.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for those organizations. We aren't doing it to make a lasting, large change.

Oh wow, this is so important you simply have to tell all of your friends on Staredit.net. Christ, man. Five years from now you'll put down the blunt and gaze at the world, thinking "what the Hell was I doing with the past five years with my life?" It's almost too easy, but I feel that your mere purpose is flawed.

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So my friend and I from school have been taking some cool classes together. We are deeply interested in the near future of America and the world. We have come to understand that massive change will occur through revolution or some sort of conflict between nations due to an unstable world population, global climate shift (I can discuss this more fully if someone opens a topic on it, otherwise for the sake of this thread, assume that there will be a global climate shift) and lack of agriculture to keep the world fed.

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We are preparing ourselves to live off the land, through making shelter, gathering food, etc.
We are both maintain levels of physical and mental fitness. For without being healthy and constantly updated, we, humans, become lazy and ignorant.
We are training to be rebels, whether attacking a corrupt power structure politically or stealthily.

How is making a crack in a small, personal dam going to affect your ability to survive in this horrid, new world? Why don't you research farming techniques and go talk to farmers about how to maximize water usage efficiency? Teach people about recycling, introduce new programs into your community, etc.

Being a trouble maker is just pathetic.

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How is making a crack in a small, personal dam going to affect your ability to survive in this horrid, new world? Why don't you research farming techniques and go talk to farmers about how to maximize water usage efficiency? Teach people about recycling, introduce new programs into your community, etc.

Being a trouble maker is just pathetic.

The dam is not the only thing we had planned. Haha. That was just the first act we did because we thought it would be cool to do. We didn't put a "crack" in it, we totally knocked it over. If you think this act is wrong, you are too brainwashed into thinking the law is righteous.
I am planning on taking green-agriculture classes. I have introduced a compost system, and more involved recycling at school with help from my friend who became school president.
Tell me where I said I am going to be a trouble maker. And who knows, if I do become one, who exactly am I creating trouble for?

I may not get as far as you think I want to. But I will accomplish exactly what I plan on accomplishing. Keeping busy and aware during my lifetime, while hopefully rightly guiding others is all I wish to do.

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Tell me where I said I am going to be a trouble maker. And who knows, if I do become one, who exactly am I creating trouble for?

You knocked down a dam. That would be considered trouble making (breaking the law does qualify as this), no matter your intentions or motives. Also, what ever happened after you knocked down this dam? What are the repercussions that are being put to good use? Has nothing bad come of it?

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Tell me where I said I am going to be a trouble maker. And who knows, if I do become one, who exactly am I creating trouble for?

You knocked down a dam. That would be considered trouble making (breaking the law does qualify as this), no matter your intentions or motives. Also, what ever happened after you knocked down this dam? What are the repercussions that are being put to good use? Has nothing bad come of it?

Laws that inhibit the personal freedoms of Americans, are unconstitutional.

Who are you directing that towards, Kellimus? I'm not sure if you made that post simply to reiterate a point, or something else.

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Who are you directing that towards, Kellimus? I'm not sure if you made that post simply to reiterate a point, or something else.

Well, it was directed to everyone after I read this comment by you:

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That would be considered trouble making (breaking the law does qualify as this),

What you have said, is very true.

But laws are created to be broken in a sense if you really think about it.


The point i'm trying to get across is: What defines a "trouble maker"? Laws that were created by people, or peoples opinions?

Eh, i'm going to shut up. I should have went into more detail earlier cause i've lost my point now, oh well.

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I don't believe those organizations represent the entire country. Besides, if the US actually put its efforts towards those things, a lot would be way better right now.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for those organizations. We aren't doing it to make a lasting, large change.

I'd like to state the government mostly cares about being the top dog in the world, and blowing everyone else away with military power, all for "freedom"
Our government is about as idiotic than a complete idiot with an IQ lower than 2 on stupid pills. I used to think America was great... But not so much after I've seen its attempts to establish "freedom" in other countries. Let the other countries be, the last thing we need is the USA policing the world.

Perhaps you guys should watch the anime Gundam 00, they try to stop wars... using brute force.

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Tell me where I said I am going to be a trouble maker. And who knows, if I do become one, who exactly am I creating trouble for?

You knocked down a dam. That would be considered trouble making (breaking the law does qualify as this), no matter your intentions or motives. Also, what ever happened after you knocked down this dam? What are the repercussions that are being put to good use? Has nothing bad come of it?

I heard about a week ago that the family went to complain to like the borough council thing and the police station. They found out from both that they weren't supposed to have the dam in the first place. They pretended as if they had no clue and weaseled their way out of probably a big fine. They can't put it back up.

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...who exactly am I creating trouble for?

I'll answer my own question: Someone who deserves trouble.

So now you're vigilante? How very original and stoic.

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Laws that inhibit the personal freedoms of Americans are unconstitutional.

I'm not allowed to kill other people just because I might have a fancy to. While this law preserves their freedom to live, it inhibits my freedom to kill them if I so choose.

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They pretended as if they had no clue and weaseled their way out of probably a big fine. They can't put it back up.

Their actions being illegal does not change the fact that your actions were still illegal, including but not limited to: trespassing, reckless endangerment (most likely), and mere possession of those explosives. The most dangerous weapon anyone can wield is self righteousness.