Let's face it, DeVouReR does so much for SEN right now. In terms of technical skill, he is the most qualified. While he may not be perfectly cut out for managing the community and occasionally runs into communication barriers, he is very interested, motivated, reliable, and tries really hard. This poll is not necessarily binding, but I do want to know how much of SEN at large has his support for full adminship... I honestly feel I am being irresponsible if I do not set about on finding a new administrator at this point.

Note: You should read DTBK's post before you vote. It eloquently expresses many of my own reservations.

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He's responsible, devoted, and gets along well with the community in general. I don't know what else qualifies an administrator.

While I do think Dev would make a good admin, I also think DavidJCobb should be allowed to help in a similiar way as what Dev currently does. Dev can't do everything, and the site needs better SC2 support and new features.

I fully support Dev being an Admin.

I do although do not think Dev alone is sufficient to run SEN socially, hopefully someone can be found to fill that spot.

Dev has shown, I believe, little interest in doing people-management - he's just an awesome IP-replacement. I still think we need one or two active admins who will help manage the people of SEN, and maybe do more of the non-coding website management. I'm for this, but not as an effective Moose replacement (I believe you filled the people-management role a year or so ago); as an IP-replacement. And if IP returns, he'll hopefully unveil SENv6, and they, like the heroes of yore, will work together to make V6 better than v5.

I agree with everyone. Dev makes a better IP than Moose, but that's okay because it's still necessary. I would still leave the community management to Mini Moose.

Moose is inactive (quoting Merrel from a PM here) and last time I asked him to manage a community problem he ignored me. We need a new community manager admin.

Not sure.

But probably the best choice right now
So I vote Yes.

Yes.

But please, take in consideration DavidJCobb did a lot too for the community... just a bit more under-cover.
I'd nominate DavidJCobb as coder #2.

As much as I appreciate all the work that Devourer has done for this website, I feel that making him an administrator would be a grave mistake.

In his use of the authority which one cannot avoid but bestow on someone with complete code access to SEN, Devourer has been impulsive and demonstrated a lack of the necessary maturity and judgment to be an administrator. This is not to say that he has specifically done anything bad, or deserves some sort of disapprobation for this, but I feel that he has much to learn about leadership in a community such as this, and is ill-qualified to make decisions regarding site policy, promotions and demotions, and the management of members. If he ever wishes to be a policy administrator, Devourer should first learn the ropes of Staff as the moderator of a forum, doing the down-low work of managing topics and members and understanding how to resolve disputes before trying to manage Staff on top of everything else, especially given the current state of affairs.

For too long has "doing the admins a favor" been a shortcut to huge amounts of power here - do a quick little task the admins are too lazy to do, and get a job like global moderator or admin. This has led to far too many people in high places unqualified to be there, and we have suffered from their impulsive decisions time and time again. If Moose does hire someone to replace him, it should be a seasoned Staff member with the maturity to lead, not only someone who is young and eager to take the helm.

Again though, I am grateful to Devourer for finding the time to code SEN, I just feel he isn't ready for such an important job.

Dev's path to the administration seems rather similar to IP's own - one pays for the site and codes for it, the other codes for it. As a fantastic coder, I believe that Dev DOES deserve the job, and being an official administration would prod him to continue doing that job (I probably wouldn't do as much as Dev did without getting recognition like that). However, I also believe, as I mentioned before, that we need a more community-specific administrator. SEN's had a tech-admin for a long while. The other, lesser positions people did the admins a favor to get into have no tech-alternatives, and so they're stuck in a community job without knowing the ropes. However, since we DO have a precedent of a tech-admin, I believe that Dev fits that role. He's also probably much more enthusiastic about changing SEN than most seasoned moderators here, which is, I believe, a good thing.

Basically, get a Moose to Dev's IP.

I actually agree with DTBK, in that dev should be a coding admin, not a community admin. He should have (and probably has) access enough to moderate everywhere, but shouldn't actually end up having to moderate anyone.

So we're all clear, I don't think Moose is suggesting DeV as a replacement for himself, just as an Admin similar to IP since he does so much for the site.

I didn't go into any detail, but when it comes to community management, I completely agree with DTBK.

For the list of possible community-admins... honestly, I think the ideal ones are DTBK or JaFF. If they'd accept it. I strongly disapprove of making Dev the only active admin.

When it comes to coding there can be no doubt of his skills. However he is still far from an administrator in other aspects, and I can think of several senior staff who outdo him in such areas.

For these reasons, and some poor decisions I feel his made, I must say no. Further, I can't say I could stand by SEN with him in charge of it. If his job is any more than that of what IP's is supposed to be, I'm afraid I could not in good conscience stay here.

Weren't you elevated from relatively unknown tech-guy to administrator at one point?

Not that I disagree. Just, threatening to leave because of it seems very odd.

And I lost my globe just as easily. I learned the hard way and I have continued to learn. I've been here a long time in case you'd forgotten.

There's no threat here Cent, I have a lot more to lose in this than SEN does, I lose SEN itself, what we have spent so many years building. And I lose my life at the same time. I am tied to SEN, it is the reason I still breathe, should it be ruined or should I be cast away from it, I have no reason to continue. I am simply stating for the record what options I can live with, so that when whatever happens, happens, SEN will know if it can still count on me to be there.

I wasn't just saying I was going to leave SEN, I was saying I would leave SEN, and then die, since I would have no other choice.

.... That was funny. You lost your globe and became a GM after being an unknown tech and melee moderator. I think saying that you'll die if Dev participates a tiny bit in community management is an unnecessary overstatement.

If Dev is put in charge of the community, it will fall further than it has and cannot be saved. This is of course we go with the Dev replacing Moose course of action, which would be unwise.

And Cent, I haven't been an unknown for a long time. Simply because you didn't pay attention to the modding sector does not mean I wasn't active there as well. I was one of the most prolific producers of GRPs for quite awhile, there wasn't a mod made in that period that didn't have some contribution from me. Even before that, I was lightly known in mapping for my RE knowledge and projects. I think you forget a lot of my history, or you didn't look into it to begin with.

I think we actually all agree with this, I don't think I've seen anyone even hint as to otherwise.