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[2018-6-04. : 7:58 pm]  KrayZee -- People who are feminists would condemn women who are sexist towards men. People who are antifa may condemn those who are violent against the people they oppose. People who support BLM would condemn a person of color being racist towards a caucasian person.[2018-6-04. : 7:58 pm]  Moose -- VraelVrael shouted: omg just articulate your view on how the movement as a whole influenced those 'cherry picked' cases already No, we have to discuss distractions on whether or not BLM can be a grilled cheese sandwich because it's just a movement or not![2018-6-04. : 7:58 pm] Vrael -- I'm arguing with the audacity of a 13 year old girl, aka speaking to everyone and being generally disruptive right now[2018-6-04. : 7:57 pm] Vrael -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Did I miss the part where anyone actually asked Pr0nogo how he came to form his viewpoints before he got accused of cherry picking nah never happened[2018-6-04. : 7:57 pm] Moose -- Did I miss the part where anyone actually asked Pr0nogo how he came to form his viewpoints before he got accused of cherry picking[2018-6-04. : 7:56 pm]  Pr0nogo -- imo if enough controversy is generated by active members of an organization, that org should clarify its position publicly and then be held accountable to their clarifications[2018-6-04. : 7:56 pm] KrayZee -- And people who do represent feminism, antifa and BLM wouldn't even support specific people who are deliberate at attacking people.[2018-6-04. : 7:55 pm] Vrael -- omg just articulate your view on how the movement as a whole influenced those 'cherry picked' cases already[2018-6-04. : 7:54 pm] KrayZee -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: KrayZee i can assert that enough individuals aspiring to those groups have conducted actions that convince me as such to the point that the organization they belong to at least accepts such outspoken views among its members Then you're cherry picking.[2018-6-04. : 7:54 pm] Vrael -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: But can you judge the philosophies of a movement based on the actions of people who identify as part of the movement? no[2018-6-04. : 7:54 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: You can't label feminists sexist towards men. You can't label antifa lawless insane people. You also can't label BLM as terrorists. i can assert that enough individuals aspiring to those groups have conducted actions that convince me as such to the point that the organization they belong to at least accepts such outspoken views among its members[2018-6-04. : 7:53 pm] Moose -- But can you judge the philosophies of a movement based on the actions of people who identify as part of the movement?[2018-6-04. : 7:52 pm] KrayZee -- You can't label feminists sexist towards men. You can't label antifa lawless insane people. You also can't label BLM as terrorists.[2018-6-04. : 7:52 pm] Moose -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I brought it up since feminism and antifa are also just movements. Movements promoting different values/goals/implementations of those goals depending on which group members you ask, TBH[2018-6-04. : 7:50 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I brought it up since feminism and antifa are also just movements. great, you found the third toy that goes in the box, how about we go back to this though KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I'm being straightforward with words. I don't form an opinion on a word and believe what it is and so it lose its actual meaning. [2018-6-04. : 7:50 pm] Vrael -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: how am i suppowee to respond to someone bringing up BLM instead of replying the topic at hand? i asked for relevance because i wanted to know kz's response to the topic, not on BLM just ignore me I'm not helpful[2018-6-04. : 7:49 pm] Pr0nogo -- how am i suppowee to respond to someone bringing up BLM instead of replying the topic at hand? i asked for relevance because i wanted to know kz's response to the topic, not on BLM[2018-6-04. : 7:49 pm] Vrael -- I mean not that I'm doing any better, just picking arbitrary points from the conversation and listing my beef with them[2018-6-04. : 7:49 pm] KrayZee -- People who oppose such groups and defining them in the wrong context is the problem.[2018-6-04. : 7:48 pm] Vrael -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I don't think Pr0nogo has ever cared about whether or not BLM is a legal entity that can be sued or brought to court, you kind of just brought up BLM for some reason and started going on about strawmen people who aren't here LMAO to be fair pr0n is doing nothing but exacerbating the situation by droning on about relevance instead of proceeding in good faith and articulating his own views[2018-6-04. : 7:48 pm] Pr0nogo -- there's nothing in what you're saying to agree or disagree with because you aren't even sticking with the same points lmao[2018-6-04. : 7:46 pm] KrayZee -- The Black Lives Matter movement cannot be sued, a federal judge ruled Thursday, dismissing a case against the group and an activist brought by a police officer injured during protests after the July 2016 fatal shooting of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Black Lives Matter is not an entity, but a social movement, Louisiana Middle District Judge Brian A. Jackson wrote. "Therefore, all claims against 'Black Lives Matter' must be dismissed because social movements lack the capacity to be sued."[2018-6-04. : 7:46 pm] Moose -- I don't think Pr0nogo has ever cared about whether or not BLM is a legal entity that can be sued or brought to court, you kind of just brought up BLM for some reason and started going on about strawmen people who aren't here LMAO[2018-6-04. : 7:46 pm] Pr0nogo -- can you quote where i made up a definition that doesn't coincide with yours?[2018-6-04. : 7:45 pm] Vrael -- I guess pr0n wants legal relevance not legal possibility, krayZ wants possibility[2018-6-04. : 7:44 pm] KrayZee -- You created your own definition of what antifa and feminism is for your own perspective, BLM is an example how different people portray a group people and how they represent it.[2018-6-04. : 7:44 pm] Vrael -- could we present an explanation of how it's legally possible instead? I feel like that would be better than an explanation of how its physically possible because I imagine that's just a lot of mailing forms and walking papers around[2018-6-04. : 7:43 pm] Pr0nogo -- i'm gonna go for a walk and when i come back i expect a logical explanation for this[2018-6-04. : 7:42 pm] Vrael -- like it recently beat out whitehouse.gov for a spot on the top 100 list[2018-6-04. : 7:41 pm] Vrael -- SEN spambox is probably one of the most rational places on the internet[2018-6-04. : 7:41 pm] Pr0nogo -- though last time i asked for it the explanation was KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Pr0nogo No, I did not. [2018-6-04. : 7:40 pm] KrayZee -- Oh it's so relevant, you just don't want to see how relevant it is.[2018-6-04. : 7:40 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: So in the context of BLM, how is it even physically possible to press charges and sue a group of people that couldn't even happen to begin with? why are you bringing up an example of something that has very little relevance to anything i've said[2018-6-04. : 7:39 pm] Vrael -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Pr0nogo Well, no, they weren't really members, no true Black Lives Matter member ... ! and you can eat a dick[2018-6-04. : 7:39 pm] KrayZee -- So in the context of BLM, how is it even physically possible to press charges and sue a group of people that couldn't even happen to begin with?[2018-6-04. : 7:39 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Pr0nogo So you prefer to interpret certain words in a specific way that wouldn't make sense in actual context. There's an article mentioning someone wanted to sue BLM and go to court. However, you cannot. Since it's not an organization at all. i don't prefer to interpret words in any way other than what i assume to be the author's intent, in this case i still don't know what yours is and i've spent at least an hour reading your messages and replying to them[2018-6-04. : 7:38 pm] Moose -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: members of black lives matter have terrorized white people, just like members of gamergate (which is far less organized than blm in the examples i've seen, feel free to cite sources that disprove this) were abusive to women online Well, no, they weren't really members, no true Black Lives Matter member ... ![2018-6-04. : 7:38 pm] Vrael -- or you know, make some argument that their charter is a thin veil over a mission of white-terrorization or whatever[2018-6-04. : 7:38 pm] KrayZee -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: but we all have a personal dictionary we use to add meaning to what we say, and our dictionaries never match up 1:1 with others, which is why sentences like 'you misunderstood me' exist So you prefer to interpret certain words in a specific way that wouldn't make sense in actual context. There's an article mentioning someone wanted to sue BLM and go to court. However, you cannot. Since it's not an organization at all.[2018-6-04. : 7:37 pm] Pr0nogo -- members of black lives matter have terrorized white people, just like members of gamergate (which is far less organized than blm in the examples i've seen, feel free to cite sources that disprove this) were abusive to women online[2018-6-04. : 7:37 pm] Vrael -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Black Lives Matter, for example, is just an activist movement. You can't label that as an organization that terrorizes white people. sure you can, though if you wanted to be thorough and truthful about it you'd have to show a series of examples of the group actually terrorizing white people[2018-6-04. : 7:36 pm] KrayZee -- Black Lives Matter, for example, is just an activist movement. You can't label that as an organization that terrorizes white people. |
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