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[2016-11-10. : 8:03 am] Sand Wraith -- Yeah, and Nazi Germany against Jews, and Canada against anyone Asian during WW2, or the USA in WW3, or the USA during the Crow era, or Britain when sodomy laws were a thing (definitlely wasn't to go after the gays)[2016-11-10. : 8:02 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: yeah governments never went out of their way to go after a race of people Except in CA against white people[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] Sand Wraith -- yeah governments never went out of their way to go after a race of people[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] Lanthanide -- yes, and I don't know why you'd think we were even talking about government entities[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] CecilSunkure -- I think it's obvious they are taken advantage of because they are poor[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] CecilSunkure -- It's super silly to think government entities are "out to get the viet people" because they are viet[2016-11-10. : 7:59 am] CecilSunkure -- eh I personally never met anyone racist except towards white people[2016-11-10. : 7:58 am] Sand Wraith -- so how come it doesn't happen? how come people don't do that outreach?[2016-11-10. : 7:58 am] CecilSunkure -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: but if they're not poor, then you won't help them If they aren't poor then they'd be in the camp helping other poor people, no?[2016-11-10. : 7:58 am] CecilSunkure -- We don't outreach because they are viet. We do it because they are economically disadvantaged and need help[2016-11-10. : 7:57 am] CecilSunkure -- See how I made economic reasons for outreach? Sure, they happen to share a race. Irrelevant..[2016-11-10. : 7:57 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: and a racist action would be creating a programme that encourages outreach to the viet community because it targets viet people!! Not if those viet people are collectively poor, and they need representation because they are economically disadvantaged due to having A) lost a war and B) have a hard time learning english as a whole[2016-11-10. : 7:56 am] Sand Wraith -- and a racist action would be creating a programme that encourages outreach to the viet community because it targets viet people!![2016-11-10. : 7:56 am] CecilSunkure -- I really don't think using racial discrimination will ever solve a racial discrimination problem[2016-11-10. : 7:56 am] Lanthanide -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Sand Wraith Yeah of course I do. I just don't believe in taking racist actions not overt ones, anyway[2016-11-10. : 7:55 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: like seriously, you ever stop to wonder that maybe they're not interested because they never receive outreach, don't feel welcome, or don't have the tools to overcome barriers (like language)? Yeah of course I do. I just don't believe in taking racist actions[2016-11-10. : 7:55 am] CecilSunkure -- When you find these cases, I don't think that makes it OK to employ *any* racist policy[2016-11-10. : 7:55 am] Sand Wraith -- like seriously, you ever stop to wonder that maybe they're not interested because they never receive outreach, don't feel welcome, or don't have the tools to overcome barriers (like language)?[2016-11-10. : 7:54 am] CecilSunkure -- If you want to make the case that a group of people aren't represented that's fine[2016-11-10. : 7:54 am] Sand Wraith -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Also, in my experience, minorities don't partake in politics of their own volition Yeah, maybe that has to do a lack of outreach from the existing community.[2016-11-10. : 7:54 am] CecilSunkure -- For example the viet community in Seattle does not partake in politics really at all, and they suffer as a result. But that's their choice[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] Sand Wraith -- And there are tons of cases where it doesn't and even if a case gets examined by an outer force, other racists are appointed.[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] CecilSunkure -- Also, in my experience, minorities don't partake in politics of their own volition[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: It doesn't except when a community has a political or police force that doesn't represent the minorities and none of the political actors or officers do anything... because they're racist. Cases where police forces are racist happen, and they should be prosecuted and convicted, and there are many cases where this happens.[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] Sand Wraith -- which might be comprised of a majority of nationally racial minority*[2016-11-10. : 7:52 am] Sand Wraith -- It doesn't except when a community has a political or police force that doesn't represent the minorities and none of the political actors or officers do anything... because they're racist.[2016-11-10. : 7:51 am] Lanthanide -- unfortunately most republicans say that there shouldn't be any race-based policies and the poor should be helped, but then they put the boot into the poor, too[2016-11-10. : 7:50 am] CecilSunkure -- Well its OK if they are minorities. It's irrelevant if they are minorities[2016-11-10. : 7:50 am] Sand Wraith -- yeah, helping poor communities, most of which comprise minorities.[2016-11-10. : 7:50 am] CecilSunkure -- If instead we focus on helping poor communities, then eventually communities in poverty will be lifted to fruitfullness, and all proportions will balance out naturally[2016-11-10. : 7:49 am] CecilSunkure -- For example, if we enforce diversity quotas in hiring, then qualified white people will not get the jobs, and the economy will suffer if those spots are not filled with qualified individuals. In practice, those spots are filled with idiots.[2016-11-10. : 7:48 am] MasterJohnny -- The problem with that is that its possible to be racist without explicitly doing so...[2016-11-10. : 7:48 am] CecilSunkure -- The reason is because I don't believe race is a causation for lack of opportunity anymore. I think focusing on race any longer leads to reductive results[2016-11-10. : 7:46 am] CecilSunkure -- Doesn't matter of there's a racial correlation. If one makes any policy or action based on race, then it's racism perpetuated[2016-11-10. : 7:46 am] Sand Wraith -- it's not the sole problem but race is a line on which economic exploitation occurs.[2016-11-10. : 7:46 am] Sand Wraith -- yeah except I don't when the stats are overwhelmingly correlate race with poverty and access to economic opportunities[2016-11-10. : 7:45 am] CecilSunkure -- I find that lazy and brings about many terrible consequences in the social and emotional spheres[2016-11-10. : 7:45 am] CecilSunkure -- I think it's silly to look at stats and jump to the conclusion of racial causation[2016-11-10. : 7:44 am] CecilSunkure -- And yep, some of those geographic points happen to contain many people of a specific race. But I think that's irrelevant. The poor are poor and that's where I think we should focus[2016-11-10. : 7:43 am] CecilSunkure -- I don't think it's tied to a specific race, but instead tied to geographic and economics[2016-11-10. : 7:43 am] CecilSunkure -- I think lots of people are poor disproportionately, especially according to geography[2016-11-10. : 7:42 am] Sand Wraith -- i see. i believe you. are white people poor to the point of disproportion relative to other communities and the poverty they have to deal with? |