Clokr_ -- I'm talking about an average university, but yes still a lot cheaper. On an expensive one you could maybe spend something on the range 15000€-20000€ which is still less than $25k.
Vrael -- 10000 euro is what, 13000 US? bachelors US could run you US 200,000 at an expensive school Not US 20,000
Clokr_ -- $200k is a bit too much. Here if you stay at your parent's you'd probably spend less than 10000€ for the whole basic degree + master's degree thing.
Clokr_ -- Also there are no student loans. There are grants but are limited, and most of them (specially for the first years) are based in your family income (and it has to be very low) and not on how good you are. So if you have no money and you don't receive a public grant there's no way to study and pay it later.
Clokr_ -- Here we probably have the worst of both worlds. University education is not free, although prices are supposedly not very high as universities are subsidized by the government. But a master's degree still costs ~3000€. And since part of the money is not public and new students don't choose the university by its reputation in Spain for some reason all of the universities try to make the courses as easy as possible to increase the cash income and you end up with the same boring do-a-lot-of-work-but-learn-nothing courses everywhere.
Vrael -- of course if you go to an ivy and major in philosophy you probably have rich parents and therefore no loan debt, so what do I know
NudeRaider -- I'm so glad that I live in a country where we decided we (kind of) like our offspring.
Vrael -- and I probably don't even have the worst debt out there... the fools who go to the ivy's and end up with like $200k, then get a job flipping burgers because they majored in philosophy... yeah, they win