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[2014-4-24. : 5:46 am]  Azrael -- And no one would ever think "hey maybe we should force the driver to do that specific thing and see if it helps the car's performance a little" lol.
[2014-4-24. : 5:45 am]  Azrael -- "Shifting gears" is just one of a hundred things your car does, almost all of which is automated. Most of it has been automated from the beginning. And no one has ever decided to take an automated process and make it manual, even if doing it manually could possibly garner some imperceptible performance benefit. If automatic transmission had existed from the beginning, there wouldn't be the term "automatic transmission", it'd just be called the "transmission
[2014-4-24. : 5:44 am]  payne -- 'final float' does sound more right, but my notes seem to say otherwise :/
[2014-4-24. : 5:44 am]  payne -- lolwut, this 32 vs 64 bs again?
[2014-4-24. : 5:43 am]  jjf28 -- i think it's final float/
[2014-4-24. : 5:43 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Double is a double-precision float. Floats are 32-bits, doubles are 64-bit
[2014-4-24. : 5:42 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Oh. I just read about it. In C, 3.0 would be a double, 3.0f would be a float. xD
[2014-4-24. : 5:42 am]  payne -- and what is "double" if not the same thing as "float" ?
[2014-4-24. : 5:41 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- in c floats have an f at the end, but I'm not sure what it does because you can also not have the f. ;o
[2014-4-24. : 5:41 am]  payne -- oh, is it to declare constants?
[2014-4-24. : 5:40 am]  payne -- other Java question: what is "final" for? "float final = 1.83f;" vs "float double = 1.83;" (no idea why there's an 'F' in there in my notes)
[2014-4-24. : 5:39 am]  Azrael -- It isn't wrong. What I stated is factual.
[2014-4-24. : 5:39 am]  Azrael -- What are you talking about payne?
[2014-4-24. : 5:39 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Car racing is like an extremely specific circumstance
[2014-4-24. : 5:39 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Automatic you don't need to shift gears
[2014-4-24. : 5:38 am]  payne -- hence race cars being all manual.
[2014-4-24. : 5:38 am]  payne -- wrong, as mentioned before, shifting gears with a manual is faster than with an automatic
[2014-4-24. : 5:38 am]  Azrael -- If it'd been automated from the beginning, no one on the planet would be going "man, I wish this one automated process was made manual instead."
[2014-4-24. : 5:38 am]  payne -- in Java, does this work: if(18<7<3)
[2014-4-24. : 5:37 am]  Azrael -- Yeah, manual is just unnecessarily obfuscating an otherwise simple task. No one actually prefers manual shifting on any objective basis; the only reason it was ever done manually is because there wasn't the technology to automate it originally.
[2014-4-24. : 5:37 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- ya but you have to do it right or at the right times or something, I'm not really sure since it's been a really long time since I ever tried
[2014-4-24. : 5:36 am]  payne -- release accelerator, press clotch, change speed, release clotch, press accelerator.
[2014-4-24. : 5:36 am]  payne -- manual always sounded pretty easy though
[2014-4-24. : 5:35 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Because you will do it wrong, and the car will just turn off. :P
[2014-4-24. : 5:34 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- If you're driving a manual for the first time, you will stop. Quite suddenly and alarmingly.
[2014-4-24. : 5:34 am]  Azrael -- A better answer would be "Sure."
[2014-4-24. : 5:34 am]  payne -- though Yukon highway, it's more like you cross one car every 40 minutes
[2014-4-24. : 5:34 am]  Azrael -- It doesn't matter if it's driving across a parking lot, if you tell a vehicle owner "I can probably drive this well enough to not destroy it", they're not going to take the chance.
[2014-4-24. : 5:34 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- One of my friends was with a girl he knew when she bought a new car that turned out to be a manual, and she was driving it anyway and ended up hitting someone's car at a stop light
[2014-4-24. : 5:34 am]  payne -- 2 of 'em, you cross a car every once in a while, the other one is so used that the highway itself guides your wheel (some truckers barely touch the wheel because of that, haha)
[2014-4-24. : 5:33 am]  payne -- you don't even stop... just drive straight.
[2014-4-24. : 5:33 am]  Azrael -- And someone else, who watched too many Fast & Furious movies.
[2014-4-24. : 5:33 am]  payne -- well, it was on Northern Ontario highway, Yukon highway, and Prairies highway... those 3 places are like the easiest places to drive on...
[2014-4-24. : 5:33 am]  Azrael -- Yeah, I knew someone like that.
[2014-4-24. : 5:33 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- And some other people I know
[2014-4-24. : 5:33 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- As was the case with my siblings and several of my cousins.
[2014-4-24. : 5:32 am]  Azrael -- "I can most probably not kill us in a horrible fiery accident."
[2014-4-24. : 5:32 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- ... Or if you couldn't afford a reasonable car when you were a teenager and got stuck with a manual and were forced to learn it. :P
[2014-4-24. : 5:32 am]  payne -- Except that trucker, which really seriously considered letting me drive. That would've been crazy!
[2014-4-24. : 5:31 am]  payne -- Every time, I'd mention I had no license, but that I could most probably drive. They all ended up refusing to let me drive. :(
[2014-4-24. : 5:31 am]  payne -- I've been proposed to take the wheel on 4 occasions when I hitch-hiked.
[2014-4-24. : 5:31 am]  Azrael -- People who grow up using manual generally prefer manual, people who grow up using automatic generally prefer automatic. Which one you grew up with is determined by which is more prominent in your society.
[2014-4-24. : 5:31 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- And I was just trying to move it from it from the driveway to the street, I wasn't even going anywhere.
[2014-4-24. : 5:30 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I tried driving my brother's truck once to move it. xD That wasn't fun at all.
[2014-4-24. : 5:29 am]  Azrael -- The point is that you would have most likely never used a manual transmission if you didn't grow up in Europe, so you'd have never come to the conclusion that you think it's fun.
[2014-4-24. : 5:29 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- UK they use manuals a lot. My mom was also saying weird stuff about emergency brake use that I don't remember the details of ..
[2014-4-24. : 5:29 am]  Azrael -- The same way Amish people prefer the simple life of not having technology, except they'd think the opposite if they'd grown up in a culture using technology.
[2014-4-24. : 5:28 am]  NudeRaider -- depends on the driver, payne. :P
[2014-4-24. : 5:28 am]  NudeRaider -- I don't know about other Europeans, but I don't consider manual transmission part of my culture. I prefer it because it's fun.
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  payne -- manuals are apparently faster.
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Or at least part of it
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I think that was his point xD
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  payne -- Europeans barely have any automatics, :P
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  NudeRaider -- *
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  NudeRaider -- requires me to drive a lot
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  Azrael -- They say that because they want to defend their culture.
[2014-4-24. : 5:27 am]  NudeRaider -- I mean if I were a taxi driver or some other job that requires me a lot then it might be worth a consideration.
[2014-4-24. : 5:26 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- But I much prefer put in 'D', and go. :P
[2014-4-24. : 5:26 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- People who drive manuals often say they are better once you know how and are familiar with the vehicle.
[2014-4-24. : 5:26 am]  Azrael -- That's what all Europeans say though.
[2014-4-24. : 5:25 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I don't think that's very related ;o
[2014-4-24. : 5:25 am]  NudeRaider -- Az, that's actually true. If I had the choice I wouldn't buy the automatic transmission car.
[2014-4-24. : 5:24 am]  NudeRaider -- when you're somewhere you have internet access, there will be lazy people that pay you to do stuff.
[2014-4-24. : 5:24 am]  Azrael -- I figured having to shift gears yourself might be what makes it fun :awesome:
[2014-4-24. : 5:24 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I don't know how to drive one. :P
[2014-4-24. : 5:24 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- no, I don't have a manual
[2014-4-24. : 5:23 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I'm surprised the batter still works so well. I can listen to it all day with headphones without plugging it in still
[2014-4-24. : 5:23 am]  Azrael -- In your manual transmission car?
[2014-4-24. : 5:23 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I have a classic. I use it every day in the car. :awesome:
[2014-4-24. : 5:23 am]  NudeRaider -- btw. im willing to bet ppl are going to pay money even for your damaged ipod because its now so old apple freaks / collectors will be happy to get one at all.
[2014-4-24. : 5:22 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- get one on the road
[2014-4-24. : 5:21 am]  payne -- another good point, :nude: , but again, the situation prevents me from doing that
[2014-4-24. : 5:20 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- Like I really liked playing with ASM for that reason too
[2014-4-24. : 5:20 am]  payne -- honestly, if I can't fix mine, I don't think I'll buy another one: I don't find it necessary... just thought it could help pass time when paddling hours on end on the water
[2014-4-24. : 5:20 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I like in C having to do memory stuff myself. :P That's a lot of what makes it fun
[2014-4-24. : 5:20 am]  NudeRaider -- if all else fails use the time you're spending to fix the ipod washing dishes, sitting babies or doing chores. you'll end up with MORE than $20
[2014-4-24. : 5:20 am]  OP)Apos -- Anyway G'Night
[2014-4-24. : 5:20 am]  payne -- problem being I'm leaving for Alaska in just a few days, and I have a shit ton of stuff to do so I don't actually have time to search for that
[2014-4-24. : 5:19 am]  NudeRaider -- or a really cheap used one from ebay craigslist or w/e
[2014-4-24. : 5:19 am]  payne -- probably A LOT of forgotten mp3s out there
[2014-4-24. : 5:19 am]  payne -- that's actually a good point: everyone have everything they need with their smartphones now :O
[2014-4-24. : 5:19 am]  payne -- lol :nude:
[2014-4-24. : 5:18 am]  NudeRaider -- jesus payne, dont be so un-resourceful. Nobody needs mp3 players anymore so you'll probably get one for free if you ask around at your friends
[2014-4-24. : 5:18 am]  OP)Apos -- That's right
[2014-4-24. : 5:18 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- It's like that in C, but it's more that '' doesn't have the null terminator.. but I don't think that matters in Java
[2014-4-24. : 5:17 am]  payne -- I think ' ' is for single characters, whereas " " is for multiple chars
[2014-4-24. : 5:16 am]  OP)Apos -- But I kinda hate it now
[2014-4-24. : 5:16 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- My best guess would be "", but I don't know what '' does in Java
[2014-4-24. : 5:16 am]  OP)Apos -- Je connais le Java alright
[2014-4-24. : 5:16 am]  OP)Apos -- I do
[2014-4-24. : 5:16 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- I don't know java. xD My best advice would be to try either way.
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  payne -- no one answered my java question :(
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  payne -- tu connais le Java?
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  payne -- salut Apos! :)
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  payne -- I had a bunch of cheating-cheets to help me remember certain formulas and how they worked
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  OP)Apos -- Been quite cool so far
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  Azrael -- ;)
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  O)FaRTy1billion -- xD
[2014-4-24. : 5:15 am]  OP)Apos -- Been playing with the curse voice client in LoL
[2014-4-24. : 5:14 am]  payne -- lol, good idea: actually creating programs mid-exam.
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