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[2011-11-14. : 9:15 pm]  Azrael -- Like when you gave someone's join date for example.
[2011-11-14. : 9:14 pm]  Azrael -- At any rate, if I incorporated these same clues into the actual game posts, people wouldn't care. Their issue is that I'm telling them factually "This points at a USS" and they are unable to discern a name from it.
[2011-11-14. : 9:14 pm]  Dem0n -- I did? When did that happen?
[2011-11-14. : 9:11 pm]  poison_us -- I don't think it was quite that bad, but close.
[2011-11-14. : 9:10 pm]  Azrael -- Yeah, I've heard he basically hand-picked every Mafia who would be lynched lol.
[2011-11-14. : 9:09 pm]  poison_us -- Demon's was a phenomenally bad example of proper hosting, IIRC.
[2011-11-14. : 9:09 pm]  Azrael -- It's like, why even host if you aren't going to let the players play? If you wanted to affect the outcome of the game so drastically then you should have let someone else host.
[2011-11-14. : 9:09 pm]  poison_us -- I know. Sometimes its pathetic.
[2011-11-14. : 9:08 pm]  Azrael -- Some of these Mafia games I get the impression that the host is about to post a screenshot showing who he sent Mafia role PMs to.
[2011-11-14. : 9:08 pm]  Azrael -- The players should decide the game's outcome, not the host. The host isn't supposed to be playing, he's supposed to be facilitating gameplay for the players.
[2011-11-14. : 9:07 pm]  Azrael -- @Poison, yes really.
[2011-11-14. : 9:07 pm]  Azrael -- Although you've gotten 2 USS already so you have to figure some of the clues up to that point are no longer valid.
[2011-11-14. : 9:05 pm]  Azrael -- I can tell you that among the outlandishly complicated "puzzle-like" clues, there are those which are significantly easier and could be figured out by the same sort of associations used in standard Mafia clues, albeit by a few degrees of separation or in a less obvious way. Still, nothing that couldn't be figured out by actually carefully considering it in a Mafia-like way for a few minutes. But you get a few people to go "herp derp dis is too hard thees is impossiblez" and everyone shrugs and forgets about them.
[2011-11-14. : 9:03 pm]  poison_us -- " [03:55 pm] Azrael.Wrath -- The host shouldn't act as a DM deciding who lives and dies by deciding who to reveal or which Townies to frame." Oh really?
[2011-11-14. : 9:02 pm]  Azrael -- Although, I'm sure someone will figure it out before the game ends.
[2011-11-14. : 9:01 pm]  Azrael -- Doesn't matter if they mean nothing, doesn't matter if no one ever figures any out. Even if they are just gibberish, it opens up a number of strategies, one of which you yourself utilized on at least one occasion. It also has additional utility which apparently no one playing has realized yet.
[2011-11-14. : 9:01 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- Role distribution putting Roy, Azrael, Aristocrat, Vrael, and DevliN as mafia is going to be way more responsible for the game's outcome
[2011-11-14. : 9:00 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- Better tell us solutions when game ends or you get Negligent Civilian
[2011-11-14. : 9:00 pm]  ubermctastic -- :O
[2011-11-14. : 9:00 pm]  Azrael -- Player actions should be at least 98% responsible for the game's outcome.
[2011-11-14. : 9:00 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- They mean nothing
[2011-11-14. : 9:00 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- Your math puzzle clues confound me, Azrael
[2011-11-14. : 8:59 pm]  Azrael -- The game's design should assume equality in player skill across the board, have a standard for clue distribution setup from the beginning which won't change regardless of how the game progresses, and then let the game play out according to the players, not according to the host.
[2011-11-14. : 8:57 pm]  Azrael -- They didn't lynch him because I formulated a plan to make him appear to be helping the Town and powerless. That plan shouldn't have needed to been formulated from the beginning, the Mafia shouldn't be randomly handicapped at the whim of the host for playing too well.
[2011-11-14. : 8:56 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- and LoTu)S still didn't die
[2011-11-14. : 8:56 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- and holy shit "I, LoTu)S, am definitely killing someone! And my name is LoTu)S"
[2011-11-14. : 8:56 pm]  Azrael -- The game should be designed assuming all players are equally skilled and let the result be whatever the result ends up being.
[2011-11-14. : 8:56 pm]  :DevliN: -- Town still*
[2011-11-14. : 8:56 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- Like, seriously? How the hell did no one pick up on the totally obvious LoTu)S reference
[2011-11-14. : 8:56 pm]  :DevliN: -- Yeah, I made it clear what Dem0n's role was. And the Towns till didn't lynch him.
[2011-11-14. : 8:55 pm]  Azrael -- The host shouldn't act as a DM deciding who lives and dies by deciding who to reveal or which Townies to frame.
[2011-11-14. : 8:55 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- Only threw them in to get town something to go on Day 1, and decreased the frequency of clues thereafter
[2011-11-14. : 8:55 pm]  Azrael -- It's just complete and utter bullshit.
[2011-11-14. : 8:54 pm]  Azrael -- And if the Town is doing too good, then throwing out red herrings against Townies to trip them up.
[2011-11-14. : 8:54 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- My clues were obvious as hell but no one figured them out
[2011-11-14. : 8:54 pm]  Azrael -- Like "okay guys, gonna try to help you out by handicapping the other team as tremendously as I can by revealing their identities".
[2011-11-14. : 8:53 pm]  Azrael -- And the better the Mafia play, the more obvious the host makes the clues.
[2011-11-14. : 8:53 pm]  Azrael -- Like when you used invisible text to post a post number in roman numerals that basically said "Demon is the Traitor", which is the same thing many hosts do, I don't understand it.
[2011-11-14. : 8:52 pm]  Azrael -- Sorry but I don't believe the host should be telling the Town who the Mafia are. If you figure out one of my clues then you've earned it. Of course even then you have to factor in possible falsifying.
[2011-11-14. : 8:51 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- DevliN, most of those date references are cherry picked to get Excalibur lynched
[2011-11-14. : 8:51 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- I am getting impatient
[2011-11-14. : 8:51 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- Make them 24-hour cycles Azrael
[2011-11-14. : 8:51 pm]  :DevliN: -- Considering no one has figured out any clues in the Research documents other than some date references, I'd believe that.
[2011-11-14. : 8:50 pm]  Azrael -- All of them.
[2011-11-14. : 8:50 pm]  Azrael -- And the Researchers have no utility, the clues are way to hard for anyone to ever figure out.
[2011-11-14. : 8:50 pm]  poison_us -- I don't believe that.
[2011-11-14. : 8:49 pm]  Azrael -- Blind guessing > behavioral analysis.
[2011-11-14. : 8:49 pm]  ubermctastic -- tis true
[2011-11-14. : 8:49 pm]  poison_us -- I don't believe that.
[2011-11-14. : 8:48 pm]  Azrael -- Research documents are entirely useless, better ignore them :awesome:
[2011-11-14. : 8:48 pm]  ubermctastic -- I like the way you think
[2011-11-14. : 8:48 pm]  Dem0n -- why you gotta always kill the mood ;_;
[2011-11-14. : 8:48 pm]  Dem0n -- :0_o:
[2011-11-14. : 8:47 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- "His accuracy and force are extremely impressive and this is shown throughout the manga, so much like we suspend disbelief for the rest of anime, I think it’s fair to assume that his skills with darts are above average, much like my masturbation skills are."
[2011-11-14. : 8:47 pm]  HCM™Aristocrat -- "I think it’s acceptable to believe that Yuki is really good at darts. IIRC, he doesn’t have much going on in his life besides darts (which I think he plays every day) and playing with his imaginary friends. Much like my hobby is masturbation, which I’ve become quite good at, his hobby is darts, which he’s become quite good at."
[2011-11-14. : 8:46 pm]  Dem0n -- a bitch
[2011-11-14. : 8:45 pm]  ubermctastic -- I mean... who does this?
[2011-11-14. : 8:44 pm]  ubermctastic -- i guess
[2011-11-14. : 8:44 pm]  ubermctastic -- thanks
[2011-11-14. : 8:44 pm]  ubermctastic -- :D
[2011-11-14. : 8:44 pm]  Dem0n -- tell the man that he's dating a bitch
[2011-11-14. : 8:43 pm]  ubermctastic -- Problems >.>
[2011-11-14. : 8:41 pm]  :DevliN: -- Seems logical to me. :D
[2011-11-14. : 8:41 pm]  :DevliN: -- If I was still alive in this Mafia, I'd start getting rid of all the roles that aren't Hackers and don't have visiting actions. At the very least you then have the Hackers surviving hits, and the people who can visit protecting each other from a night hit.
[2011-11-14. : 8:36 pm]  Dem0n -- i have it on xbxo :(
[2011-11-14. : 8:36 pm]  MadZombie! -- Lust argonians everywhere
[2011-11-14. : 8:36 pm]  MadZombie! -- all dose item and loli mods
[2011-11-14. : 8:35 pm]  MadZombie! -- The best part is when the community makes mods
[2011-11-14. : 8:31 pm]  Lanthanide -- bethesda always makes buggy games
[2011-11-14. : 8:24 pm]  Oh_Man -- Your mum something.
[2011-11-14. : 8:23 pm]  NicholasBeige -- You need patching.
[2011-11-14. : 8:22 pm]  Oh_Man -- Every RPG in the history of the universe needs patching.
[2011-11-14. : 8:18 pm]  NicholasBeige -- Or search for console commands.
[2011-11-14. : 8:18 pm]  NicholasBeige -- Going to see if leaving the College (killing people, fleeing, waiting 3 days, and then rejoining) makes him reappear
[2011-11-14. : 8:18 pm]  NicholasBeige -- One of the NPCs who puts you on the first quest at Winterhold College effectively doesn't exist after you complete the quest. He's nowhere to be found.
[2011-11-14. : 8:18 pm]  NicholasBeige -- And Skyrim needs patching.
[2011-11-14. : 8:17 pm]  NicholasBeige -- You guise suck.
[2011-11-14. : 8:10 pm]  NicholasBeige -- [hint: skyrim related, mages college]
[2011-11-14. : 8:10 pm]  NicholasBeige -- 3 minutes left. Where can I find Tolfdir?
[2011-11-14. : 8:10 pm]  NicholasBeige -- Anyone, time is ticking
[2011-11-14. : 8:08 pm]  NicholasBeige -- 200 minerals if someone tells me correctly in the next 5 minutes
[2011-11-14. : 8:08 pm]  NicholasBeige -- Where the fuck is Tolfdir?
[2011-11-14. : 8:03 pm]  TomWaits -- You've made the right choice.
[2011-11-14. : 7:50 pm]  Dem0n -- fuck it. SKYRIM TIME
[2011-11-14. : 7:48 pm]  Dem0n -- skyrim or homework o.o\
[2011-11-14. : 7:26 pm]  Xlil-InfernoDDD -- Hi Apos
[2011-11-14. : 6:46 pm]  OP)Apos -- Now it feels just like it should
[2011-11-14. : 6:46 pm]  OP)Apos -- AWESOME! I finally managed to setup a package manager on Windows 7
[2011-11-14. : 6:14 pm]  Sacrieur -- talk about overpriced garbage
[2011-11-14. : 6:14 pm]  Sacrieur -- dear lord $88?
[2011-11-14. : 6:04 pm]  OP)Apos -- (Seems like the main ones)
[2011-11-14. : 6:03 pm]  OP)Apos -- GTK looks cool, but so does QT
[2011-11-14. : 6:03 pm]  OP)Apos -- What GUI library is the best when programming in C? (Cross platform if possible)
[2011-11-14. : 4:51 pm]  Ahli -- http://shop.lululemon.com/products/clothes-accessories/men-tops/Pacific-Run-Long-Sleeve-28632?cc=9547&skuId=3431023&catId=men-tops chose a black one please ;D
[2011-11-14. : 4:41 pm]  Tuxlar -- what? no genitals? disgraceful!
[2011-11-14. : 4:07 pm]  poison_us -- http://oglaf.com/media/comic/sircoffee.jpg
[2011-11-14. : 3:46 pm]  poison_us -- :teach:
[2011-11-14. : 3:40 pm]  poison_us -- :cube:
[2011-11-14. : 3:40 pm]  Tuxlar -- (or else how long i last)
[2011-11-14. : 3:37 pm]  Tuxlar -- let's see how productive i become
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