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[05:25 pm]
Dem0n -- Moose host diplo for us again pls
[05:17 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- Roy
Roy shouted: NudeRaider Well, let's put it this way: the concern is that you could target specific groups to boost your turnout in a non-representational manner. That concern exists with super delegates, except the targeted group is only going to be the super delegates.
Not to mention that if you can manage to not lose a popular vote by more than 31.9%, they're the better group to target.
[05:13 pm]
Roy -- I can see how you could justify it, but it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
[05:12 pm]
Roy -- NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: Roy I did no judging whether I think it's good or bad. But if you must know, obviously the negative "side" effect outweighs the "legitimate concern" I mentioned. But it shows why they can still cling to it: Because there actually is an upside. Well upside depending on the view, as Moose pointed out.
Well, let's put it this way: the concern is that you could target specific groups to boost your turnout in a non-representational manner. That concern exists with super delegates, except the targeted group is only going to be the super delegates.
[05:07 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- Actually, Sanders was an independent who just happens to align with the Democrats and knows a third party has little to no chance, so it's unsurprising why the current establish of each party would dislike Trump/Sanders and work against them.
[05:06 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- jjf28
jjf28 shouted: NudeRaider afaik republicans have a straightforward delegate system and many long-time republicans hate trump; so if they had superdelegates they could take a huge chunk out of his chance of winning
Unsurprising, he independently broke into the party complete with his own money and they have no control over him.
[04:58 pm]
Zycorax -- :wob:
[04:56 pm]
Dem0n -- Moose go away for 57 days LMAO
[04:55 pm]
Dem0n -- Damn it, Ex, don't log on for 3 days
[2016-2-13. : 4:36 pm]
jjf28 -- NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: jjf28 do superdelegates prevent trump? if so, how?
afaik republicans have a straightforward delegate system and many long-time republicans hate trump; so if they had superdelegates they could take a huge chunk out of his chance of winning
[2016-2-13. : 4:31 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- And I didn't really know about the Democrats' process, either, until this. The ignorance of these systems has probably helped to perpetuate their existence.
[2016-2-13. : 4:27 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- I don't even know how the Republican candidate selection process works, to be honest, family.
[2016-2-13. : 4:26 pm]
NudeRaider -- jjf28
jjf28 shouted: Mini Moose 2707 --> then you think the republicans have it better --> then you see trump --> maybe they'd be better off with superdelegates :lol:
do superdelegates prevent trump? if so, how?
[2016-2-13. : 4:20 pm]
jjf28 -- Mini Moose 2707
Mini Moose 2707 shouted: > Win primary by 22% > Get fewer delegates > Democracy in two thousand and sixteen > Laughing my ass off! > :lmfao:
--> then you think the republicans have it better --> then you see trump --> maybe they'd be better off with superdelegates :lol:
[2016-2-13. : 3:51 pm]
NudeRaider -- Roy
Roy shouted: NudeRaider That's only an issue for a two party system. Your justification is that it's a good thing we have protections to keep a broken system broken.
I did no judging whether I think it's good or bad. But if you must know, obviously the negative "side" effect outweighs the "legitimate concern" I mentioned. But it shows why they can still cling to it: Because there actually is an upside. Well upside depending on the view, as Moose pointed out.
[2016-2-13. : 3:15 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- To win disregarding superdelegates, a candidate would have needed 68.1% of the vote. (which would leave the other, assuming there are two, with 31.9% of the vote.) This means the establishment can effectively silence 36.2% of the voters because they feel like it.
[2016-2-13. : 3:11 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- But ostensibly also to keep a not-broken system not-broken, which is how they'll claim it is.
[2016-2-13. : 3:04 pm]
Roy -- NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: I see it more like a double edged sword. (Disclaimer: I only have a very basic understanding of the American voting / delegates system) As you say its (probably intended) side effect is that those in power stay in power but it also works against a legitimate concern: Some very active outsider group makes disproportional effort to target specific groups and gets overwhelming support from them which makes them non-representativ for all voters.
That's only an issue for a two party system. Your justification is that it's a good thing we have protections to keep a broken system broken.
[2016-2-13. : 2:59 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- And if it turns out for some reason that only one group has a significant turnout, one can argue that they should be the ones running the show because clearly nobody else was even interested.
[2016-2-13. : 2:57 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- I mean, it's a possibility, but the odds seem very low that one group gets literally everyone in their group riled up while simultaneously nobody else gives a shit.
[2016-2-13. : 2:56 pm]
NudeRaider -- I see it more like a double edged sword. (Disclaimer: I only have a very basic understanding of the American voting / delegates system) As you say its (probably intended) side effect is that those in power stay in power but it also works against a legitimate concern: Some very active outsider group makes disproportional effort to target specific groups and gets overwhelming support from them which makes them non-representativ for all voters.
[2016-2-13. : 2:51 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- (She also just happened to be the co-chair of Hillary's 2008 presidential campaign against Obama, but is surely unbiased.)
[2016-2-13. : 2:47 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- Basically, they can pretend that what the people think actually matters but in almost all cases, really, they actually get to pick.
[2016-2-13. : 2:46 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- They have superdelegates to "make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists" LMAO
[2016-2-13. : 2:46 pm]
NudeRaider -- oh, that explains it then. :P
[2016-2-13. : 2:45 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- She isn't a reporter, she's the chair of the Democratic National Committee.
[2016-2-13. : 2:44 pm]
NudeRaider -- especially the woman makes me laugh
[2016-2-13. : 2:44 pm]
NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707
Mini Moose 2707 shouted: LMAO LOLITICS
is it me or do both reporters look like they have some mental disability?
[2016-2-13. : 2:40 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- > Win primary by 22% > Get fewer delegates > Democracy in two thousand and sixteen > Laughing my ass off! > :lmfao:
[2016-2-13. : 2:40 pm]
NudeRaider -- jjf28 important question: Did Adam and Jamie follow the call?
[2016-2-13. : 2:40 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- LMAO LOLITICS
[2016-2-13. : 2:06 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- FaRTy1billion
FaRTy1billion shouted: let's breathe like birds, so we can get oxygen while both inhaling and exhaling
And here I am working twice as hard for that shit.
[2016-2-13. : 9:18 am]
KrayZee -- lil-Inferno
lil-Inferno shouted: no i have a pee pee
You're lying
[2016-2-13. : 8:29 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- let's breathe like birds, so we can get oxygen while both inhaling and exhaling
[2016-2-13. : 6:39 am]
lil-Inferno -- > 2016 > breathing
[2016-2-13. : 6:27 am]
Excalibur -- lil-Inferno
lil-Inferno shouted: Moose is hording all of our memes O_______________________________________________O
Whoring*
[2016-2-13. : 6:26 am]
Excalibur -- Pfft. Family man. In twenty sixteen.
[2016-2-13. : 6:20 am]
lil-Inferno -- no i have a pee pee
[2016-2-13. : 6:16 am]
KrayZee -- Dem0n
Dem0n shouted: Do you not realize that Moose is a family man who shouldn't even be up this late?
Um, aren't we all women here?
[2016-2-13. : 6:10 am]
KrayZee -- One of the last places I would ever find a Stan Lee cameo...
[2016-2-13. : 6:08 am]
KrayZee -- Just seen Deadpool on IMAX
[2016-2-13. : 6:04 am]
Dem0n -- Do you not realize that Moose is a family man who shouldn't even be up this late?
[2016-2-13. : 6:04 am]
zsnakezz -- come get overlorded
[2016-2-13. : 6:04 am]
zsnakezz -- moose
[2016-2-13. : 6:00 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- :prof:
[2016-2-13. : 5:56 am]
lil-Inferno -- Moose is hording all of our memes O_______________________________________________O
[2016-2-13. : 5:51 am]
Dem0n -- Oh. :teach:
[2016-2-13. : 5:51 am]
Mini Moose 2707 -- Nah, just IP, lmao
[2016-2-13. : 5:49 am]
Dem0n -- Fuck I meant :fear:
[2016-2-13. : 5:49 am]
Dem0n -- Moose is secretly hording pictures of younger versions of us? :scared:
[2016-2-13. : 5:30 am]
Mini Moose 2707 -- dumbducky Man, I had some of those pics in my SEN Vault and I thought I was hot shit, turns out they've been on there the entire time.
[2016-2-13. : 4:52 am]
Dem0n -- Jk lmao
[2016-2-13. : 4:52 am]
Dem0n -- Broken link smh
[2016-2-13. : 4:50 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- http://i.imgur.com/91a8hwP.jpg
[2016-2-13. : 4:49 am]
lil-Inferno -- we're all just dank memers imo
[2016-2-13. : 4:49 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Dem0n
Dem0n shouted: Also, I'd say that's completely untrue. Almost everyone that posts nowadays is normal
Except that dem0n guy, he's pretty weird.
[2016-2-13. : 4:47 am]
Dem0n -- Dem0n
Dem0n shouted: dumbducky its like there aren't any weird people on sen
I meant the internet. Smh
[2016-2-13. : 4:45 am]
Dem0n -- All the weird people are gone
[2016-2-13. : 4:44 am]
Dem0n -- Also, I'd say that's completely untrue. Almost everyone that posts nowadays is normal
[2016-2-13. : 4:44 am]
Dem0n -- dumbducky
dumbducky shouted: The normal people here hardly post anymore. When I look at the post your pics thread I mostly cringe
its like there aren't any weird people on sen
[2016-2-13. : 4:32 am]
dumbducky -- http://www.staredit.net/topic/2871/205/#4101 HOLY SHIT IT'S MR. CAMO WHO IS MR CAMO?????
[2016-2-13. : 4:29 am]
dumbducky -- I agree, but they haven't popped up in these pictures
[2016-2-13. : 4:28 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- There are some pretty bad haircuts that are popular and, as far as I'm aware, considered "normal"
[2016-2-13. : 4:26 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- A better question is why so judgmental?
[2016-2-13. : 4:26 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- dumbducky
dumbducky shouted: Well look at the pictures on that page. Sac has the weird cat ears (wtf?). Ex. Then on the next page GeneralPie pops in and mentions he has the same cat ears (seriously, why is this common?). ToA's picture is gone but he has the worst haircut in the world and keeps dying it weird colors.
Why not?, Why not?, Why not? dumbducky
dumbducky shouted: Turns out IP was a weird looking dude: http://s492.photobucket.com/user/isopurity/media/3.jpg.html
he just looks like some guy
[2016-2-13. : 4:24 am]
dumbducky -- Turns out IP was a weird looking dude: http://s492.photobucket.com/user/isopurity/media/3.jpg.html
[2016-2-13. : 4:21 am]
dumbducky -- Well look at the pictures on that page. Sac has the weird cat ears (wtf?). Ex. Then on the next page GeneralPie pops in and mentions he has the same cat ears (seriously, why is this common?). ToA's picture is gone but he has the worst haircut in the world and keeps dying it weird colors.



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