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WHat do you meleers think the optimal time for a Terran player to expand is?
When you have the advantage.
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I heard fast expo has become a popular build.
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Depends on MU, scouting, etc.
You should just read through what the tutorials on SEN has to say and post here later. That should help? (Everything you have in question.)
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when ur army > his
when u pressure/harass/push
when u can do it safely
when u pressure/harass/push
when u can do it safely
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Python is the most popular map for good players currently.
Currently, on maps like python, the stadard build for protoss is a fast expansion. Protoss players make a couple cannons at their expo, expansion, before making the nexus. (Python is a large map). Also, it is easy to take expos on Python since their are so many and because it is so large. The standard rule is to throw down three gateways for each expo you have. (This is because you make teched units on python). If you scout a fast expansion or x amount of hatcheries you will know what they are going. If the terran goes F.E. you will know you won't need as many cannons. If the z throws down 3 hatches, you will know he is going muta. If the z throws down 4, you will know he is going Hydralisks.
Zerg players have no disadvantage by making hatcheries. (T and P get -400 each one, while Z players need them to pump units) A z players need 4 hatcheries if their going hydras, and they need 3 hatcheries if they are going mutalisks. The normal spots to put the hatchs are 1st one at the closest expo spot, 2nd one on bottle, and third (if you decide to go hydras, on your first base. If you are z, and scout that the t or p is going fast expansion you will know you don't need as many sukens to stop their push.
Terran players can play better than P or Z on having only 1 mineral source. (They can have 6 or more factories pushing vultures, etc.) Also, it is normally a good idea to expo when you see your opponents are expoing. (You make a Command Center and float it to the expo spot.)
Finally, players should have a worker scouting the 10 or so potential expos every so often. This will enable you to take them, or know when you should have another. Hope I was helpful.
Currently, on maps like python, the stadard build for protoss is a fast expansion. Protoss players make a couple cannons at their expo, expansion, before making the nexus. (Python is a large map). Also, it is easy to take expos on Python since their are so many and because it is so large. The standard rule is to throw down three gateways for each expo you have. (This is because you make teched units on python). If you scout a fast expansion or x amount of hatcheries you will know what they are going. If the terran goes F.E. you will know you won't need as many cannons. If the z throws down 3 hatches, you will know he is going muta. If the z throws down 4, you will know he is going Hydralisks.
Zerg players have no disadvantage by making hatcheries. (T and P get -400 each one, while Z players need them to pump units) A z players need 4 hatcheries if their going hydras, and they need 3 hatcheries if they are going mutalisks. The normal spots to put the hatchs are 1st one at the closest expo spot, 2nd one on bottle, and third (if you decide to go hydras, on your first base. If you are z, and scout that the t or p is going fast expansion you will know you don't need as many sukens to stop their push.
Terran players can play better than P or Z on having only 1 mineral source. (They can have 6 or more factories pushing vultures, etc.) Also, it is normally a good idea to expo when you see your opponents are expoing. (You make a Command Center and float it to the expo spot.)
Finally, players should have a worker scouting the 10 or so potential expos every so often. This will enable you to take them, or know when you should have another. Hope I was helpful.
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Python is the most popular map for good players currently.
Currently, on maps like python, the stadard build for protoss is a fast expansion. Protoss players make a couple cannons at their expo, expansion, before making the nexus. (Python is a large map). Also, it is easy to take expos on Python since their are so many and because it is so large. The standard rule is to throw down three gateways for each expo you have. (This is because you make teched units on python). If you scout a fast expansion or x amount of hatcheries you will know what they are going. If the terran goes F.E. you will know you won't need as many cannons. If the z throws down 3 hatches, you will know he is going muta. If the z throws down 4, you will know he is going Hydralisks.
Zerg players have no disadvantage by making hatcheries. (T and P get -400 each one, while Z players need them to pump units) A z players need 4 hatcheries if their going hydras, and they need 3 hatcheries if they are going mutalisks. The normal spots to put the hatchs are 1st one at the closest expo spot, 2nd one on bottle, and third (if you decide to go hydras, on your first base. If you are z, and scout that the t or p is going fast expansion you will know you don't need as many sukens to stop their push.
Terran players can play better than P or Z on having only 1 mineral source. (They can have 6 or more factories pushing vultures, etc.) Also, it is normally a good idea to expo when you see your opponents are expoing. (You make a Command Center and float it to the expo spot.)
Finally, players should have a worker scouting the 10 or so potential expos every so often. This will enable you to take them, or know when you should have another. Hope I was helpful.
Currently, on maps like python, the stadard build for protoss is a fast expansion. Protoss players make a couple cannons at their expo, expansion, before making the nexus. (Python is a large map). Also, it is easy to take expos on Python since their are so many and because it is so large. The standard rule is to throw down three gateways for each expo you have. (This is because you make teched units on python). If you scout a fast expansion or x amount of hatcheries you will know what they are going. If the terran goes F.E. you will know you won't need as many cannons. If the z throws down 3 hatches, you will know he is going muta. If the z throws down 4, you will know he is going Hydralisks.
Zerg players have no disadvantage by making hatcheries. (T and P get -400 each one, while Z players need them to pump units) A z players need 4 hatcheries if their going hydras, and they need 3 hatcheries if they are going mutalisks. The normal spots to put the hatchs are 1st one at the closest expo spot, 2nd one on bottle, and third (if you decide to go hydras, on your first base. If you are z, and scout that the t or p is going fast expansion you will know you don't need as many sukens to stop their push.
Terran players can play better than P or Z on having only 1 mineral source. (They can have 6 or more factories pushing vultures, etc.) Also, it is normally a good idea to expo when you see your opponents are expoing. (You make a Command Center and float it to the expo spot.)
Finally, players should have a worker scouting the 10 or so potential expos every so often. This will enable you to take them, or know when you should have another. Hope I was helpful.
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A_of-s_tWHat do you meleers think the optimal time for a Terran player to expand is?
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Currently, on maps like python, the stadard build for protoss is a fast expansion. Protoss players make a couple cannons at their expo, expansion, before making the nexus. (Python is a large map). Also, it is easy to take expos on Python since their are so many and because it is so large. The standard rule is to throw down three gateways for each expo you have. (This is because you make teched units on python). If you scout a fast expansion or x amount of hatcheries you will know what they are going. If the terran goes F.E. you will know you won't need as many cannons. If the z throws down 3 hatches, you will know he is going muta. If the z throws down 4, you will know he is going Hydralisks.
Zerg players have no disadvantage by making hatcheries. (T and P get -400 each one, while Z players need them to pump units) A z players need 4 hatcheries if their going hydras, and they need 3 hatcheries if they are going mutalisks. The normal spots to put the hatchs are 1st one at the closest expo spot, 2nd one on bottle, and third (if you decide to go hydras, on your first base. If you are z, and scout that the t or p is going fast expansion you will know you don't need as many sukens to stop their push.
Terran players can play better than P or Z on having only 1 mineral source. (They can have 6 or more factories pushing vultures, etc.) Also, it is normally a good idea to expo when you see your opponents are expoing. (You make a Command Center and float it to the expo spot.)
Finally, players should have a worker scouting the 10 or so potential expos every so often. This will enable you to take them, or know when you should have another. Hope I was helpful.
Zerg players have no disadvantage by making hatcheries. (T and P get -400 each one, while Z players need them to pump units) A z players need 4 hatcheries if their going hydras, and they need 3 hatcheries if they are going mutalisks. The normal spots to put the hatchs are 1st one at the closest expo spot, 2nd one on bottle, and third (if you decide to go hydras, on your first base. If you are z, and scout that the t or p is going fast expansion you will know you don't need as many sukens to stop their push.
Terran players can play better than P or Z on having only 1 mineral source. (They can have 6 or more factories pushing vultures, etc.) Also, it is normally a good idea to expo when you see your opponents are expoing. (You make a Command Center and float it to the expo spot.)
Finally, players should have a worker scouting the 10 or so potential expos every so often. This will enable you to take them, or know when you should have another. Hope I was helpful.
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A terran player should expand when he feels that he is able to adequately protect his investment. Since a terran army is stronger on the defensive than it is on the offensive, when you are able to get some tanks and mines and missile turrets down by your nat, you should do so, moving your defensive line up to protect your new command center. If a protoss player is able to harass effectively and halt your advance, then use a tank push to force him out of the clogged up area around your nat so that you can occupy it.
Against zerg, don't expand until you have the defenses to beat his entire army if he attacks your natural. Same thing, really, the principle is that if you expand and his army can attack and win, then you will most likely lose the game.
Against zerg, don't expand until you have the defenses to beat his entire army if he attacks your natural. Same thing, really, the principle is that if you expand and his army can attack and win, then you will most likely lose the game.
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A terran player should expand when he feels that he is able to adequately protect his investment. Since a terran army is stronger on the defensive than it is on the offensive, when you are able to get some tanks and mines and missile turrets down by your nat, you should do so, moving your defensive line up to protect your new command center. If a protoss player is able to harass effectively and halt your advance, then use a tank push to force him out of the clogged up area around your nat so that you can occupy it.
Against zerg, don't expand until you have the defenses to beat his entire army if he attacks your natural. Same thing, really, the principle is that if you expand and his army can attack and win, then you will most likely lose the game.
Against zerg, don't expand until you have the defenses to beat his entire army if he attacks your natural. Same thing, really, the principle is that if you expand and his army can attack and win, then you will most likely lose the game.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 24 2008, 6:26 am by Mini Moose 2707. Reason: Must we swear?
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Fuck expansion, go for broke.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
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Fuck expansion, go for broke.
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I have a new strategy now giving me a positive win ratio. Still terran. I pretty much just took you're advice about how if I'm dead set on massing marines, I might as well focus more on acad/ups than super early tank push. Turns out I can handle their 6 sunks w/o tanks.
I would also like a rm.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 28 2008, 2:22 am by ClansAreForGays.
I would also like a rm.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 28 2008, 2:22 am by ClansAreForGays.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
You put yourself too high for how lowly you are. Its not even funny when you play. Its plain pathetic. If you can, just stick to temple siege and not melee.
Oh yeah, Its also because your ego is bigger than highly accepted strategies as it is. You seem to follow your own logic- which is quite inefficient in Starcraft rather than those who have an efficient one. Don't go over your league unless you want to learn. Playing you would degrade my skills quadrafold.
Oh yeah, Its also because your ego is bigger than highly accepted strategies as it is. You seem to follow your own logic- which is quite inefficient in Starcraft rather than those who have an efficient one. Don't go over your league unless you want to learn. Playing you would degrade my skills quadrafold.
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You're really pathetic Dazed and your mentality seriously disappoints me. It would be obvious to anyone with any level of humor or half a brain to understand that I actually am not trying to be a pro meleer. This might come as a shock to you, but I DON'T WANT TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL VIDEO GAMES ON KOREAN TV. The futuristic team space suits you get to wear and the shitty pop-punk-emo background music is very tempting, but it's not my dish. I know reality might be very different for you in Korea, but here in America, when someone says "I'm probably like the best sc player ever" they don't actually mean it. Especially when that person is most known for being anything but serious.
See, I thought it was funny that I found a little strategy with terran that actually involved using barracks for something more than cliff scouting for tanks. The funny thing about it was that it differed so much for the same exact thing every Terran was traditionally supposed to do. Maybe in Korea 90's video games are artifacts of honor and respect, but to everyone else it's just a game to experiment with. If every game PvT are doing the same things, I like to take advantage of that and just throw a wrench in it with something they won't be ready for. It really gets me hard when I hear an ob scolding his clan mate on what he actually lost to, or the obs abandoning ac and just loling at what just happened. Sure I lose half my games, but 1 epic lulz win is easily worth 5 meaningless loses(outside of your DMZ).
Just because I don't use JK LOL like it's a fucking period like every other person you probably communicate with, doesn't mean I'm trying to get into a team sponsored by Sony. So I'll continue playing "1v1 python play/obs" in my spare time even if it's just to QQ losers like you.
See, I thought it was funny that I found a little strategy with terran that actually involved using barracks for something more than cliff scouting for tanks. The funny thing about it was that it differed so much for the same exact thing every Terran was traditionally supposed to do. Maybe in Korea 90's video games are artifacts of honor and respect, but to everyone else it's just a game to experiment with. If every game PvT are doing the same things, I like to take advantage of that and just throw a wrench in it with something they won't be ready for. It really gets me hard when I hear an ob scolding his clan mate on what he actually lost to, or the obs abandoning ac and just loling at what just happened. Sure I lose half my games, but 1 epic lulz win is easily worth 5 meaningless loses(outside of your DMZ).
Just because I don't use JK LOL like it's a fucking period like every other person you probably communicate with, doesn't mean I'm trying to get into a team sponsored by Sony. So I'll continue playing "1v1 python play/obs" in my spare time even if it's just to QQ losers like you.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
I see a rant that made no sense to me whatsoever. Did that make you feel better? Or are you just lost to a point that you'll talk even if you don't understand anything?
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speechless I see.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
No it just hit me in the head. You know not even the basic, and yet you rant how good you are. And then you say you don't want to get good- and then when I say something about it, you overexaggerate it to a point where it makes no sense at all. And then you start putting other things to relation where it has no relevence. You also try to rant about things you don't have even the speck of understanding. And then you try to back your argument by trying to make your strategy 'creative'- if something everyone did once is very creative. You also make yourself try to look 'cool' as you probably would've thought in your head by trying to look you didn't care. Now if you really didn't, why check here so often?
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