Refer to white slave owners argument.

I don't know much about marijuana's effects on the body, but I do know that the people who smoke it are stupid. If we had to look at a correlation of data from my high school, generally the people in the lower half of the academic spectrum used it, while the opposite was true for the upper 50%. I'm not saying this is indicative of the country. With that said, I hardly think marijuana makes a person stupid. Those kids who used it were stupid to begin with, and a lot of them don't have any plans. After thinking about it for a while, the same holds basically true for college. If it were to be legalized, which I support, it would still have to have severe restrictions for use: no smoking during or for an hour or two before driving, no use in public locations, sold by licensed retailers, etc. I would want it to obviously be taxed to generate some money off of drugs for a change, perhaps to fund the war on more harmful drugs, like cocaine and meth.

Does Starcraft hurt you? No, but marijuana and other drugs do, and no, we cannot just let people go about ruining themselves, because it does not only effect them, it ends up often affecting others, which is why they are illegal, and should remain so.

Yes, a lot of the time people smoke it and get away just fine, but it's not worth the high you get from it to take the chance that you could ruin another life, you continually say that it should be peoples choice, but when there becomes a possibility that it could hurt others, then it is no longer their choice.

From what I've heard, the plant (marijuana) can be used for a variety of good purposes.

If the government can find a way to stop people from abusing it, then yes, it should be legalized.

Until then, it does more harm than good.

Dude all your points sound so idiotic why should I defend against your point? Why is it good you compared the most incomparable events?? That just proves how awkward and ridiculous the comparison was.... And duh, everything can be abused, but nothing is quite as abused as drugs. Especially such a convenient drug that has "no side effects". And I'm fairly certain not being able to think as you normally could is a side effect for whoever said there aren't any...

There is absolutely NO proof that "for the most part, [maryJ] is used safely". Another case of you sounding absolutely idiotic. There is no way you can site that or even make up a statistic so don't even try that one... All I'm saying is there are plenty of perfect examples where people do something that is irreparable when they are drunk/high. Lack of physical and cognitive control isn't a good thing.



Often, people do drugs(weed, alcohol, etc.) to block out feelings. You lose your job? just drink it off at the pub and everything will be ok. Your gf dumps you? just smoke some weed and forget about it. Is that a logical answer? Definitely not. You can't always avoid life, cause guess what, life happens. And it's not just to you, it's to everyone. Deal with your own crap and take some responsibility.

I totally agree with you, i love how nobody really has argued with that, and there isn't really an argument for it.

You have to either sacrifice your own freedom for absolute protection from drugs/alcohol or sacrifice your absolute protection from drugs/alcohol for your own freedom.

I believe we should maintain what we have now. I hate to use the old gun violence argument but if we should ban alcohol for hurting people then we should outlaw salt for giving people heart attacks along with McDonalds (That would be chaos) My personal belief is to keep our freedom in sacrifice for protection. I think our country is moving towards more governmental control, and that once we outlaw this then we outlaw that and next thing we know the government is regulating what we eat. So then how this relates to the legalize weed argument, the people who want to legalize just want to get high. If you want to get high you will whether its on cold medicine or pot. Pot isn't hard to obtain. I don't think you guys need to legalize it case and point. (Not going to happen anyway) In fact if its legalized your just going to be taxed. So no it shouldn't be, we are fine now.

I'm sure Starcraft has some negative effects, let's over analyze it like you all do when it comes to weed. You could be reading a book or riding a bike instead of playing some meaningless game. Go outside and get some exercise!! Over a long period of time, the screen impairs your vision and sitting in your chair for hours can cause blood clots and poor circulation. Not to mention the effect is has on your school marks, your social life and in some cases your posture. And I know what you're thinking, I can play Starcraft in moderation and live a perfectly normal life, T-MaStAA is only talking about the serious gamer nerds. WELL GUESS WHAT, I CAN DO THE SAME WITH MARIJUANA!!!

... what teh fux?
If you're referring to his statement that it's "illegal for a good reason," then I should point you to every mention of prohibition, and every argument which has, thus far, been blatantly ignored, regarding what effect illegalization has on its use, regardless of morals behind it.
If you're referring to his second statement, then there's nothing to argue, because it's true... as in the exact same case as alcohol and numerous medically prescribed drugs that are taken quite regularily.

*sigh*
Y'know, a debate gets boring when I'm seeing mostly "lol that argument is obvious broke, don't u c, lol im rite."

Casualties from marijuana > casualties from sc...
In fact, I highly doubt anyone has physically harmed another person under the influence of starcraft.

Starcraft can hurt you. Like someone already said, it can cause you to become overweight, become depressed, get carpal tunnel, get bad grades, lose friends, the list goes on and on. Maybe we should take Starcraft away to protect the masses from themselves. How about we take away video games in general. Grand Theft Auto and a lot of other games cause people to go on shootings, we need to protect people from this. Lets take away cars while we're at it, that way we will save millions of lives from car accidents and we won't have to worry about driving under the influence at all!

I hope you're seeing my point. If you want to protect someone from something, you have to protect them from evevrything or it's of no use. Let people grow up and become responsible so that they can choose what they want to do and then punish those who act irresponsibly.

From an honest perspective, I think that a lot of the analogies stated in this forum about how marijuana is like "something", thus it is totally ok and good for society, are stretching strings. Comparing maryjane to something else just doesn't work cause it isn't exactly like anything else. You smoke it like a cigarette, but it makes you high. It changes your state of mind like alcohol, but it's considered a drug. Because of these factors you can't say, "well xx is legal so mj should be too."

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Of course it should. It's less harmful than many legal substances.

Alcohol is considered a drug as well. If you add it all up it doesn't make sense. Cigarettes are legal and you smoke them, yet damage your body far more than marijuana. Alcohol is a drug and changes your state of mind, and its legal. Marijuana is these two combined for the most part, yet it is illegal.

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seriously?.... read the forum please...

therefore it is more powerful so it's illegal... It makes perfect sense.

Combined =/= more powerful?

Yes. Smoking is proven bad for your heath. And the lack of inhibition from the effects of smoking, similar to drinking, makes marijuana more illicit than alcohol and smoking, so you can't exactly compare it to just one single substance.

Someone died once from playing WoW and not eating. LOL. Your point was that you don't NEED marijuana. You also don't NEED StarCraft. Or any entertainment for that matter. Go be fucking healthy and gtfo of the internet.


You continue to dodge actually defending against my points, instead you just call them stupid. Seriously, that's not a valid response. Stfu/Gtfo.

Statistic or stfu.

When did I ever say it has no side effects?

Where's the proof that it's used unsafely for the most part?

People do things that are irreparable when they AREN'T drunk/high as well. And being drunk is legal.

Proof? What's wrong with blocking out feelings? Got some statistic?

In my experience this is very rarely the reason for smoking/drinking. The people I chill with use it for fun. And even if someone was smoking their problems away, how is that not 'dealing with your own crap'? You're not asking someone else to solve it for you. You're just not doing shit about it, heh.

if you want to kill yourself with something legal why not... Drink bleach O_o its cheap fun and you can see the damage it does to you in realtime

@church-
it appears killing yourself isn't legal. Hospitals are forced to restrain you if you try to kill yourself. And you can be court ordered to do counseling if someone turns you in for attempted suicide.

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