Anyway, I find this to be amazing news! Read the full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7460743.stm
So, discuss. What do you guys think will come out of this?
If anything cool is ever going on Skype me up under the name "blarghle"
So, basically, there was this guy with a case of advanced skin cancer. They tried an experimental treatment on him, which involves cloning a type of cell in your body to the point that your immune system can fight off the cancer. It doesn't work for everyone, they say it only works on certain immune systems and tumor types. (Just so you know, this treatment only cures advanced skin cancer only right now, not ALL cancer.)
Anyway, I find this to be amazing news! Read the full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7460743.stm
So, discuss. What do you guys think will come out of this?
Anyway, I find this to be amazing news! Read the full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7460743.stm
So, discuss. What do you guys think will come out of this?
Well thats cool. I always wondered if there already was a cure for cancer blah blah. I'm looking forward to glow and the dark humans next 
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ALL PRAISE YOUR SUPREME LORD CORBO
I'm sorry, this IS the serious discussion forum, right?
All of your posts confused me.
Anyway, I find this really interesting, I hope we develop even more on the subject to cure even more types of cancer on different hosts now that motivation exists from that guy who did get cured.
All of your posts confused me.
Anyway, I find this really interesting, I hope we develop even more on the subject to cure even more types of cancer on different hosts now that motivation exists from that guy who did get cured.
fuck you all
This is pretty amazing that they went further into curing cancer!
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This is really interesting, one more large step for man.
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I sometimes read stuff like this when I get bored and I always find it interesting. They did a great job, it shows potential but I'm sure with some cancers there will be too many side effects from duplicating the specific white cell, like some kind of imune system break down or attack on the nervous systems etc... but, finding a cure for one more cancer could potentially make a huge difference in the impact cancer has on humans.
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Sleeping wolves wake hungry.
Too fucking late.
Both of my friends are already dead.
Both of my friends are already dead.
I'm surprised they managed to find a way to cure it at all, I mean, your body finds cancer to be part of it, making it probably the hardest problem to get your body to fight it off, it'll be cool if they manage to truly pull it off though.
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well falkoner im guessing the cells they cloned wanted to be where that tumor was so like a mobster they snuffed it out o_o my guess of course, great to hear some stuff is being done about skin cancer, a family member has it and if it worsens i'd be nice to know there is something that helps.
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This discovery is a good thing, although, since it can only affect such a minor percentage with this specific cancer, I wouldn't get too excited yet.
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I don't know where I have herd this before but I herd that mistletoe can cure cancer... Not sure if its true or not. Most likely just BS.
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I have a feeling that cloning cells like this will cure cancer then cause unearthly, horrific problems later down the line.
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hmmm, interesting that it worked.
Now for the long lecture about cancer/ the immune system...
Cancer is a very complex disease that is caused by a cell mutating and dividing faster than all the cells around it. When it devides faster than the cells around it, it takes more nutrients to feed itself, therefore starving the other cells. In the early dstages of cancer the immune system notices a particulirly acitve cell. When it starts to get bigger, the immune system marks the tumer for destruction. The T-cells (more commonly known as white blood cells) are launched into action, along with b cells and memory b cells. Those b-cells go to the tumor and take an information packet of the tumor for the T-cells to use to destroy the cell. Know here is the interesting thing: the tumer sends false packets of information to those b cells, which then fools the T-cells into thinking the tumor is safe. The white blood cells then notice its not, and resend the b-cells, creating a continious loop, while the tumor grows.
What I think they did here is quite effective because the engineered cell doesnt need a b-cell
This method of engineering a cell like you read in the article is also subject to an ethical debate, as is all bio engineering stuff.
Scott
Edit: If it only works for skin cancer, then maybe they might develop something else for a different type of cancer?
Now for the long lecture about cancer/ the immune system...
Cancer is a very complex disease that is caused by a cell mutating and dividing faster than all the cells around it. When it devides faster than the cells around it, it takes more nutrients to feed itself, therefore starving the other cells. In the early dstages of cancer the immune system notices a particulirly acitve cell. When it starts to get bigger, the immune system marks the tumer for destruction. The T-cells (more commonly known as white blood cells) are launched into action, along with b cells and memory b cells. Those b-cells go to the tumor and take an information packet of the tumor for the T-cells to use to destroy the cell. Know here is the interesting thing: the tumer sends false packets of information to those b cells, which then fools the T-cells into thinking the tumor is safe. The white blood cells then notice its not, and resend the b-cells, creating a continious loop, while the tumor grows.
What I think they did here is quite effective because the engineered cell doesnt need a b-cell
This method of engineering a cell like you read in the article is also subject to an ethical debate, as is all bio engineering stuff.
Scott
Edit: If it only works for skin cancer, then maybe they might develop something else for a different type of cancer?
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I have a feeling that cloning cells like this will cure cancer then cause unearthly, horrific problems later down the line.
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I have a feeling that cloning cells like this will cure cancer then cause unearthly, horrific problems later down the line.
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Non Sequitur ("It does not follow"). This is the simple fallacy of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from the premises. For example, "Racism is wrong. Therefore, we need affirmative action." Obviously, there is at least one missing step in this argument, because the wrongness of racism does not imply a need for affirmative action without some additional support (such as, "Racism is common," "Affirmative action would reduce racism," "There are no superior alternatives to affirmative action," etc.).
Nature, appeal to. This is the fallacy of assuming that whatever is "natural" or consistent with "nature" (somehow defined) is good, or that whatever conflicts with nature is bad. For example, "Sodomy is unnatural; anal sex is not the evolutionary function of a penis or an anus. Therefore sodomy is wrong." But aside from the difficulty of defining what "natural" even means, there is no particular reason to suppose that unnatural and wrong are the same thing. After all, wearing clothes, tilling the soil, and using fire might be considered unnatural since no other animals do so, but humans do these things all the time and to great benefit.
Nature, appeal to. This is the fallacy of assuming that whatever is "natural" or consistent with "nature" (somehow defined) is good, or that whatever conflicts with nature is bad. For example, "Sodomy is unnatural; anal sex is not the evolutionary function of a penis or an anus. Therefore sodomy is wrong." But aside from the difficulty of defining what "natural" even means, there is no particular reason to suppose that unnatural and wrong are the same thing. After all, wearing clothes, tilling the soil, and using fire might be considered unnatural since no other animals do so, but humans do these things all the time and to great benefit.
This point is arguably invalid. So, no, he does not "have a very good point."
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I have a feeling that cloning cells like this will cure cancer then cause unearthly, horrific problems later down the line.
Been watching too much TV
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