syphon, explain how an infinite timeline would work.

syphon, explain how an infinite timeline would work.

The Universe always existed, will always exist, any point in time can be defined in terms of the present, except a beginning or an end.

Can you also inform me with, how do we know that its infinte? We only have rocks / data from space (water in asteroids) that date back a number of years ago. The asteroid that was from lets say 1000 + years from what the earliest one we know, could be lightyears away. Some would be destroyed / impacted on plantes / other asteroids.

Can you also inform me with, how do we know that its infinte? We only have rocks / data from space (water in asteroids) that date back a number of years ago. The asteroid that was from lets say 1000 + years from what the earliest one we know, could be lightyears away. Some would be destroyed / impacted on plantes / other asteroids.

Infinite?

"The oldest star clusters whose age we can estimate are about 12 to 15 billions years old.
So it seems safe to estimate that the age of the Universe is at least 15 billion years old, but probably not more than 20 billion years old." - http://www.superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo1.html ( somewheres near the bottom )

In essence, it's impossible to prove that a god doesn't exist, but it is also impossible to prove that one does without resorting to circular logic.

Bravo! Well said! That actually makes alot of sence.

Bravo! Well said! That actually makes alot of sence.

Yeah that's right. When I first mentioned ,"You can't disprove something that can't be proved or disproved" you ignore it but when Agamemnon says it you listen.

Well, first off, ask your friend how they know that God is not bounded by logic. No evidence whatsoever could prove this because one would have to use logic to prove this. By using logic to prove this, the person admits that God is in fact bounded by logic.

Usually, however, this point will fail to make its mark because most believers don't care too much when it comes to evidence. They can always say that they have faith or whatever. (I take it you know how to handle the faith reply.)

So, as a further point, I would argue that this makes god fully unintelligible. God cannot be understood whatsoever.
If this is the case, then the word God is meaningless. What is God? Well I don't know, he's not bounded by logic. Note that the phrase "not bounded by logic" makes no sense whatsoever. This is as meaningless to us as "outside of space and time". (which is something god is also.)
So, since the word "god" is meaningless, the only rational position to hold is to lack a belief in god.
Also, it becomes impossible to believe in god. In order to believe in something, one must at least be able to say what that thing is. However, this isn't the case with God ergo, your friend can't be a theist anymore.
(If your friend tries to explain any aspect of god whatsoever, you can always reply with "If God's above logic, how do you know that?" For whatever reason they give you, it's automatically invalidated because of their statement that god is above logic.)

So, yes that ought to stop that nonsense.

Are you telling me that creation is impossible?

I am saying the story of creation doesn't explain anything about the origin of life on earth, or elsewhere if the panspermia hypothesis is considered. The burden of proof is on you to show supernatural involvement.

Heres the best way to define infinity,

Place two points exactly one foot away from each other. Then divide the points distance by two. Keep repeating this untill they touch, oh yeah, they wont. Even if you see that they are touching, they really aren't. If you can understand this simple concept, you have got it.

I never asserted anything.

You asserted, or at least implied your belief in creationism

You asserted, or at least implied your belief in creationism, on the grounds that it could explain the origin of life, and have failed to show the how and why.

In Science, it is impossible to say if something is true, but it is easy to show that it is false. In Religion, it is easy to say that something is true, but impossible to say that it is false.

Too bad it is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. We are not discussing god now. Go away.

Yeah that's right. When I first mentioned ,"You can't disprove something that can't be proved or disproved" you ignore it but when Agamemnon says it you listen.

Orly?

Well Agamemnon said it better.