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Starcraft Fan campaign Listing V3
Jun 20 2021, 10:11 am
By: Zincoshine
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Oct 26 2021, 10:36 pm Andrea Rosa Post #101

Just a glitch in the Matrix

Of course, the current rating system is not perfect by any mean, and there are some aspect of it that can be criticized: for example, I think that Zincoshine's completion rate should not be taken into account in the global score. This being said, I also think that he is accurate enough in his quick reviews, maybe he's strict and stern, but still fair in my opinion. Also, don't forget that these ratings may be subject to revision if an updated version is provided (it may take some time, but have faith).

@Luigi - I plan on checking out your campaign now that you have finished it, so expect some feedback soonish.



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Oct 26 2021, 11:42 pm Luigi Post #102

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Quote from Andrea Rosa
@Luigi - I plan on checking out your campaign now that you have finished it, so expect some feedback soonish.
Thanks. Any feedback, positive or negative, is welcome =}
Feedback has been scarce so far, but of course valuable.



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Oct 27 2021, 1:56 am JumpStart Post #103



Quote from Zincoshine
If I were to do that, then there would be fewer recommended campaigns, not more. In particular, flame knives, aeon of the hawk, life of a marine, Vile regression, and all RPGish campaigns would have a much worse score and no recommendation. Actually, Aeon of the Hawk already doesn't have a recommendation anyway. It was the second campaign I reviewed and it was such an awful experience that I almost quit starcraft. It was only because of the revengers that I decided to continue playing. While "the Revengers" is lacking a lot, it was such a breath of fresh air, especially with the cartooned skin which goes well with the silly plot and personalities in the Revengers.
Like I said earlier, I don't think you should be not recommending custom campaigns for a game that you claim to enjoy. Even if the scores are less high than what they would be, at least your being more honest about how you feel(there may even be people who would want to play the campaigns you gave a lower score). I also don't feel you should be letting something like a custom campaign influence your opinion on the game itself in a negative way. Doing things like that could give people more power over your actions as opposed to you elicited them yourself.



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Oct 27 2021, 2:39 am JumpStart Post #104



Quote from Andrea Rosa
Of course, the current rating system is not perfect by any mean, and there are some aspect of it that can be criticized: for example, I think that Zincoshine's completion rate should not be taken into account in the global score. This being said, I also think that he is accurate enough in his quick reviews, maybe he's strict and stern, but still fair in my opinion. Also, don't forget that these ratings may be subject to revision if an updated version is provided (it may take some time, but have faith).
I think that's a fair assessment to make, but imo there is a difference between saying "I don't like (x) mechanic because of (x)" and "(x) mechanic is bad and sucks". I think that in most cases it's better to treat opinions as opinions and not as fact. This is the internet and it can be hard to predict who could be reading and what actions they might take if you present something that offends them.



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Oct 27 2021, 4:38 am JumpStart Post #105



As engaged as I am in this discussion, I think that now would be a good time for me to stop. I understand that my opinion isn't in the majority and most people here seem to be just fine with the possibility that this campaign listing could ward off others from playing them so in the end I'm not too shaken up about it. Hope you all have a Happy Halloween.



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Oct 27 2021, 7:52 am Zincoshine Post #106



Quote from Andrea Rosa
@Luigi - I plan on checking out your campaign now that you have finished it, so expect some feedback soonish.

Let me know when you finish doing that and he provides the updated maps. I'm willing to give the campaign another chance at that point.



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Oct 27 2021, 9:36 pm Zergy Post #107



So, I finished reviewing my own campaign. I corrected some bugs and mistakes and balance the difficulty.

As before, the easiest way to update the maps for the listing is to download the whole campaign.
BTW, this is for the v2/remastered version.



French map maker, not really active these days.

Oct 28 2021, 7:32 pm Andrea Rosa Post #108

Just a glitch in the Matrix

Quote from JumpStart
Like I said earlier, I don't think you should be not recommending custom campaigns for a game that you claim to enjoy. Even if the scores are less high than what they would be, at least your being more honest about how you feel(there may even be people who would want to play the campaigns you gave a lower score). I also don't feel you should be letting something like a custom campaign influence your opinion on the game itself in a negative way. Doing things like that could give people more power over your actions as opposed to you elicited them yourself.

I presume, if I get your point right, that you are advocating for a campaign listing without a rating system. While this would be fine, you need to consider that this listing was born out of the necessity to have rough quality information readily available, and also to disprove a recently established belief that all StarCraft campaigns are terrible and not worth to be played. The funny thing is, there's actually a basis of truth in this statement, because the vast SCBW repository is littered with low-quality productions that seem to have been spawned in the pits of hell, contributing to build up a general bad reputation (this is true for any software library, search the Internet for the Video Game Crash of 1983, which was largely caused by a flood of poorly designed games and loss of consumer trust). Of course I'm not talking about your campaign, which I found sufficiently good as I told you in our private conversation. The ideal thing would be an official, site-based rating system in which every user has the possibility to review a campaign and assign a personal score, but unfortunately we don't have the resources and audience for such an endeavour.



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Oct 29 2021, 8:15 am Zincoshine Post #109



You can't seriously look at those micro missions and tell me the campaigns are good.... The micro missions are unplayable, they remind me of red goblin : cursed forest. You should help teach him how to make better triggers instead of giving false praise. Also I still have no idea how you're supposed to do that micro mission in cold as ice. You will lose all your troops before you even get to the first point. Let alone getting to all 5 points. Maybe I was given an unfinished copy of the map?



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Oct 29 2021, 9:33 am Andrea Rosa Post #110

Just a glitch in the Matrix

Quote from Zincoshine
You should help teach him how to make better triggers instead of giving false praise.

It is not false praise, when I said "sufficiently good" I meant "almost good enough", I think I misused the term "sufficient", sorry.



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Oct 29 2021, 9:47 am Zincoshine Post #111



Well I guess that is an accurate description of cold as ice. If the micro mission in that campaign was fixed (or I was given the correct map?), it would definitely be a recommended campaign. It's really the only thing preventing it from getting a recommendation.



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Oct 29 2021, 10:25 am Andrea Rosa Post #112

Just a glitch in the Matrix

About "As Cold As Ice" my main criticism was directed at the weird story, but I also recognized it was sort of a strong point, because it somewhat made me think to John Carpenter's "The Thing". Map design and layout were also appreciable (aside from the repeated use of the same tileset), clearly showing a talent for map making. Gameplay was fine except from a few pitfalls, like the mission you have mentioned. If I were to assign a score it would be 60-65, not far from your own rating.



Level Design Workshop

''Go to hell'' is basic. ''I hope your favorite StarCraft character gets voiced by Pr0nogo'' is smart. It's possible. It's terrifying.

Oct 29 2021, 12:23 pm Zincoshine Post #113



Wait, you were able to win the micro mission? But... How? You're given almost no units!



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Oct 29 2021, 2:09 pm Andrea Rosa Post #114

Just a glitch in the Matrix

Yes, that mission requires careful micromanagement, sneaky tactics and some patience, but it is entirely beatable. Check DK's playthrough, he played it much in the same manner as I did.



Level Design Workshop

''Go to hell'' is basic. ''I hope your favorite StarCraft character gets voiced by Pr0nogo'' is smart. It's possible. It's terrifying.

Oct 29 2021, 2:24 pm Luigi Post #115

In God I trust.

Quote from Zincoshine
Alright, "SC Adventures: The insurgent" and Vanguard of Aiur will be the last two campaigns I play
One last thing, and the most important, thanks for reviewing my campaign.

Quote from Zincoshine
Wait, you were able to win the micro mission? But... How? You're given almost no units!
-.-!!!



I'm the creator of StarCraft Adventures.
For Spanish version "Aventuras de StarCraft":
Aventuras de StarCraft (blog)

Oct 29 2021, 5:43 pm Zincoshine Post #116



Quote from Luigi
Quote from Zincoshine
Alright, "SC Adventures: The insurgent" and Vanguard of Aiur will be the last two campaigns I play
One last thing, and the most important, thanks for reviewing my campaign.

Quote from Zincoshine
Wait, you were able to win the micro mission? But... How? You're given almost no units!
-.-!!!
I played cold as ice a few months ago.

Quote from Andrea Rosa
Yes, that mission requires careful micromanagement, sneaky tactics and some patience, but it is entirely beatable. Check DK's playthrough, he played it much in the same manner as I did.
Very interesting.... this reminds me of legacy of kerrigan.

OK, it has a recommendation now and I switched its difficulty from hard to veteran. Score stays the same though, as does its recommendation to play it using the cartooned skin.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 29 2021, 5:53 pm by Zincoshine.



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Oct 29 2021, 7:07 pm Andrea Rosa Post #117

Just a glitch in the Matrix

Quote from Zincoshine
OK, it has a recommendation now and I switched its difficulty from hard to veteran. Score stays the same though, as does its recommendation to play it using the cartooned skin.

Seems fair to me. With a score of 69% it deserves to be in the green zone, especially since there were campaigns with the same score (or even lower) which got a recommendation.



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''Go to hell'' is basic. ''I hope your favorite StarCraft character gets voiced by Pr0nogo'' is smart. It's possible. It's terrifying.

Oct 29 2021, 10:16 pm Luigi Post #118

In God I trust.

Quote from Zincoshine
Quote from Luigi
Quote from Zincoshine
Alright, "SC Adventures: The insurgent" and Vanguard of Aiur will be the last two campaigns I play
One last thing, and the most important, thanks for reviewing my campaign.

Quote from Zincoshine
Wait, you were able to win the micro mission? But... How? You're given almost no units!
-.-!!!
I played cold as ice a few months ago.

Quote from Andrea Rosa
Yes, that mission requires careful micromanagement, sneaky tactics and some patience, but it is entirely beatable. Check DK's playthrough, he played it much in the same manner as I did.
Very interesting.... this reminds me of legacy of kerrigan.

OK, it has a recommendation now and I switched its difficulty from hard to veteran. Score stays the same though, as does its recommendation to play it using the cartooned skin.

It is very good to see that change :G



I'm the creator of StarCraft Adventures.
For Spanish version "Aventuras de StarCraft":
Aventuras de StarCraft (blog)

Oct 30 2021, 1:10 pm Bruce Post #119



Quote from Zergy
I remember another former website, starcraftwww (world wide war) and checked it on web archive.
It campaigns section mention a Zerg one named "La ConquĂȘte De Sakura" (Conquest of Shakura in English)
I look for it creator "JL-Fusion" on google but didn't find any email to contact him.
Same when I look up for the campaign name, nothing.

You are right Zergy, nice find! The campaign "La ConquĂȘte De Sakura" from "Jl-Fusion" is indeed a French campaign that should be added to the listing. It features a total of 16 maps, so far we did not retreive the files.



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Nov 2 2021, 8:50 pm Zincoshine Post #120



New updates:
- The files for the remastered version of Chrniques d'alliance have been updated
- La ConquÃÂȘte De Sakura has been added to the missing files section

Aside from that, I've currently played 4 recently purchased games, I've got 3 more to go although all of the remaining three are expected to take a long time to complete. I will likely finish them all just before the black Friday sale.
- Ynglet is an excellent game everyone should check out.
- Psycron is a game every fan of metroidvania is going to like
- unbound: world's apart is a game anyone with excellent 2d platforming skills is going to like.
- "In the Dark" is like your average d-tier starcraft custom campaign.

I'm thinking I'll be able to complete my playthrough of Omen's campaign just before (or even during) black friday when I expect to buy more games.

After black Friday, my plans in December will be based on the amount of games I buy on black Friday. If I buy very few or none, I'll review templar campaign and legacy of the confederation. If I buy a moderate amount of games I'll review templar campaign and huncraft instead. If I buy a lot, I'll review templar campaign and review+fix Tachyon instead. In all likelihood I'll be completely done with this archive in march.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 2 2021, 9:05 pm by Zincoshine.



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