It's been a busy week and I didn't expect this turnout, but it's good to see people participating in the discussion. Sorry for the delay (I see you on the edge of your seat there Oh_Man).
I may have chosen the wrong subforum. There's something comfortable about the Null space, though. Even Corbo's standard "ya, he dumb" feels like a welcome lightness to a serious discussion. Maybe that's why I put it here. Here's some information on
treating long term COVID.
The coronavirus has killed over 617,000 Americans to date.
Many of whom already had health complications, poor general health or were over 50 years old. There are a multitude of factors to consider when evaluating one's risk status surrounding COVID. Every factor I've evaluated puts me into a low risk category, including age,
blood type, lack of pre-existing conditions, regular exercise routine, healthy diet, healthy weight, non-smoker, sufficient vitamin levels, particularly Vitamin D, etc.
By not vaccinating, you are choosing not to decrease your ability to transmit to other more vulnerable people (elderly, disabled, already sick, etc),
Hogwash. From the CDC:
The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated where community transmission of the virus is widespread. Vaccinated people could potentially still become infected and spread the virus to others.
as well as choosing to essentially be an incubator for new mutations.
Many immunologists are arguing exactly the opposite: over-vaccination is leading to the virus being forced to mutate to spread successfully. These immunologists strongly warn against over-vaccination of healthy individuals which robs them of the opportunity to develop natural immunity which is far more robust in treating a variety of infections, as well as longer lasting. See
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche's interview, one of the world's leading immunologists, for further explanation.
Also hogwash. The vaccine is highly experimental. This is the first time mRNA vaccines have been used in human history. Everyone who receives one is a subject of the first test run. Successful administration to X individuals in less than a year gives no indication of long term side effects. COVID vaccines currently only have an emergency use authorization with no liability held for the manufacturers of said vaccinations. To claim the vaccine is not experimental is simply incorrect.
See
this article for 'experimental COVID-19 vaccine' explicitly stated
Your link does provide some data about the adverse reactions, the data found here:
https://www.openvaers.com/ gives a more complete picture. It's drawn directly from the VAERS database so it's continuously kept up to date. VAERS data is pulled from more places than just the United States as well which allows us to view a larger sample. You claim there are a negligible number of cases with side effects, but compared to previous vaccines, I'd argue this is simply not true. One of the most alarming figures from the VAERS data to me is that 12,366 of the total 21,224 reported VAERS deaths are related to COVID vaccinations. Greater than 58% of all reported deaths after vaccination have been after COVID vaccinations. VAERS was established in 1990, but almost 60% of the reported deaths came from these particular vaccines this year alone. You might say this is due to the sheer quantity of people being vaccinated at once, maybe this is true, it's too early to say for certain, though. I'd rather take my chances with the virus.
Additionally, the
Lazarus report states:
Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians’ usual workflow, takes time, and is duplicative. Proactive, spontaneous, automated adverse event reporting imbedded within EHRs and other information systems has the potential to speed the identification of problems with new drugs and more careful quantification of the risks of older drugs
So, let's assume the Lazarus report was actually wrong by an order of magnitude and a full 10% of vaccine adverse events are reported: the 12,366 reported VAERS COVID vaccination deaths jumps to 123,660 estimated deaths. If we give the Lazarus report the benefit of the doubt and assume that truly only 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported, that figure becomes 1,236,600 deaths after COVID vaccination. The number reported for the United States as of August 9, 2021 is 6,631 which would become 663,100 given a 1% VAERS reporting rate, more than the number of people COVID has killed in the US.
I would also posit that your second link "
https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-video-stories.html", which contains 16 videos on its main page of people who presumably don't like the vaccine, along with a number of pages like "Real Testimonials", "Real Video Stories" and "Real Medical Observations" is not a trustworthy source of medical information. Typically real medical sources don't have to prefix everything with "Real".
I see you don't prefer their way of presenting information, but a source is not discredited simply by using the word 'real' excessively. They are in a position where they are being discredited for what they are saying, it's natural to speak defensively. Here's an
article which goes to show that these stories are indeed "real" and that these are not just people who "presumably don't like the vaccine".
“It has come to our attention that several hundred individuals in the United States have experienced life-altering injuries after receiving COVID-19 vaccines," Lee stated in a letter to the director and acting commissioner of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The letter goes on to say: “The widespread lack of acknowledgement of adverse events following receipt of a COVID-19 vaccination has made it nearly impossible for some of these individuals to obtain the medical treatment they need. If any of the COVID-19 vaccines truly cause adverse events of the severity noted above, even in a small percentage of cases, these risks must be disclosed, particularly to the medical community so that healthcare professionals are properly informed and may provide necessary treatment, care, and information to the general public as they weigh the risks and benefits of being vaccinated.”
You say they presumably don't like the vaccine, yet their front page states:
WHO WE ARE:
• We are a large and ever growing group of Americans who were previously healthy and have been seriously injured by the COVID vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J as well as Astra Zeneca in the clinical trial stage in the United States).
• We are pro-vaccine, pro-science and were excited for the opportunity to be vaccinated and to do our part in helping to end the pandemic.
• We are completely independent of any other organization.
These are people who are pro-vaccine, received the vaccine, experienced serious complications and are trying to help others avoid the same thing happening to them while also seeking help for themselves. Meanwhile, Moderna, Pfizer, and other pharmaceutical companies are profiting billions off these vaccines and are highly motivated to silence such claims of problems with their vaccines while accepting no liability for damages. You may say, "Oh, but the vaccines are free!" Not so. Our tax dollars have paid these companies handsomely for this experiment, confounding things even further. There's a huge profit incentive for these companies to push the agenda that everyone needs to be vaccinated regardless of age, health status, or vaccine safety. Additionally the board overseeing COVID-19 trials has
major conflicts of interest with certain board members being heavily associated with pharmaceutical companies. Very suspicious for a board which is supposed to be neutral and objective.
Yes. Apart from the expected effects immediately following the injections (soreness from first and fever+aches from second that only lasted about a day each) I haven't noticed any reactions since the shots. Having asthma and the potential risk of lasting complications due to COVID tells me that I definitely do not want to catch it, so getting the shot was never really a question for me. Also my brother, who is far more healthy and active than I am, got sick with it last November and was bedridden for 2 weeks, which was really what cemented in my mind that I wanted to protect myself from the virus as much as possible.
To put it out there, I think it's great that you wanted the vaccine and you got it. That's what freedom of choice is all about. While I personally feel it's not the best decision for my own health, I fully support you in your decision and don't think any less of you. Not that I would have any reason to, but it seems that some of you think less of me for my own stance, so I want to be clear that that's not the boat I'm in.
My understanding is the immunity you get from the vaccine and the immunity you get from actually catching covid and surviving it are the same? Ie., both will eventually run out which means you can then catch it again down the line. That's why you need booster shots (to regain your immunity because your immune system "forgets" how it defended against covid the first time).
So both are the same, but you take risks either way. You either take the risk of an adverse reaction from the vaccine (like AstraZencha's infamous blood clotting issue) or you take the risk of getting seriously ill or even dying from covid instead of brushing it off. But my understanding is of the two risks, the chance of an adverse reaction from a vaccine is much much lower, whereas the chance of getting seriously ill/dying from covid is a lot higher, especially for elderly people or people who are sickly with asthama or what-not like Farty.
So if you have to roll dice either way, may as well take the roll that has better odds. For that reason I have had my two shots of Pfeizer vaccine, and I will have to have booster/boosters down the line to make sure my immune system never "forgets" the lessons it learned from the vaccine. I actually have a lot of other vaccines floating around in my body too that protect me from hepatatis B, whooping cough, measles/mumps/rubella, and polio. These were government mandated vaccines I received as a child in the school system, with some being further suppelemented with booster shots as an adult.
COVID-19 vaccine generated antibody levels appear to
begin declining at six weeks. On the other hand, an
ongoing study of patients confirmed to have recovered from COVID-19 has shown natural immunity to be effective for
at least eight months. They haven't found evidence of natural immunity disappearing after eight months, it's just that the study has only gone on that long so far, natural immunity is still going strong.
My research shows that risk of adverse reactions from COVID can be mitigated with various prophylactic methods, while the risks from COVID vaccines are underreported. This combination leads me to believe my better odds dice roll will be without the vaccine. I also have a multitude of other vaccines, with much longer histories of human use, floating around in my body. You may not have noticed, but I'm not saying all vaccines are bad. I'm not even saying no one should get the COVID vaccine. I am arguing that these vaccines are experimental, seem riskier for me personally than COVID itself, and I don't want one.
Another thing to consider is if you want to stop having to deal with lockdowns, wearing masks, etc "the pandemic lifestyle" then get vaccinated, and peer pressure everyone you know to get vaccinated. The only way things will go back to the way they were is if the vast majority of people are either (a) vaccinated, (b) dead from covid, or (c) covid survivors (but as I said above, covid survivors can still catch covid again down the line so (a) is way better).
The problem with this is that it's a fear based approach which is basically saying, 'If you want our world leaders to stop hammering us with ineffective policies, you should just roll over and do what they tell you. Oh also peer pressure all your friends into blind submission.' It's called Hobson's choice. No thanks.
This article while written humorously, illustrates my point. You all received your current vaccinations with the belief that it was the key to getting out of the lockdowns, wearing masks, etc. What's happening now?
CDC warns that fully vaccinated people
can still spread COVID to others. Whoops, guess the vaccines didn't solve the mask problem. Masks are also
ineffective in preventing the spread of COVID-19.
It’s a myth that masks prevent viruses from spreading. The overall evidence is clear: Standard cloth and surgical masks offer next to no protection against virus-sized particles or small aerosols. The size of a virus particle is much too small to be stopped by a surgical mask, cloth or bandana. A single virion of SARS-CoV-2 is about 60-140 nanometers or 0.1 microns. The pore size in a surgical mask is 200-1000x that size. Consider that the CDC website states, “surgical masks do not catch all harmful particles in smoke.” And that the size of smoke particles in a wildfire are ~0.5 microns which is 5x the size of the SARS-CoV-2 virus! Wearing a mask to prevent catching SARS-CoV-2, or similarly sized influenza, is like throwing sand at a chain-link fence: it doesn’t work.
Additionally
masking children has been shown to cause far more harm than good.
Unfortunately, the unelected health bureaucrats that have exercised so much power in the last year and a half have not learned much from the lessons of the Covid-19 pandemic. Inexplicably and without any scientific evidence, they continue to insist that children must wear masks when in the classroom.
They show no evidence of having seen a study out of Florida showing that disease-causing organisms build up inside a child’s mask after several hours of wear. Recently, JAMA Pediatrics published a study showing dangerous levels of CO2 among kids after only a short time wearing a mask. As I have noted in my book, COVID-19, A Physicians Take on the Exaggerated Fear of the Coronavirus, the SARS CoV2 virus is not stopped by the pores on typical facial masks. It's like trying to stop a mosquito with a chain-link fence.
The WHO has told us that it is rare for those without symptoms to pass Covid-19 to others. They estimate asymptomatic spread to be less than 1% of all Covid-19 cases. Dr. Fauci even said, “Asymptomatic spread is not a common driver of infection.” This makes perfect sense if you think about it. Viral respiratory illnesses like Covid-19, the common cold, or even Influenza, are spread by those with symptoms – when they cough or sneeze.
America's Frontline Doctors provides an alternative
road map to recovery which is far more sensible to me.
