Problems with Current Modding Tools (Topic)

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Editing these files with PyDAT is resulting in bizarre changes to the flingy.dat, where Scourge's flingy entry is being set to seemingly random entries. First it was Rhynadon, then it was Power Generator. I've hit 'reload entry' to fix it but there's no telling how long before it happens again. Worth noting is that those two graphic entries are ones that I've replaced in the mpq/exe, but I don't know if that helps figure out the issue.

This one is hard to reproduce. I seem to remember fixing something like this that Neiv reported... I have an idea that should get rid of these issues for good.

I have updated the data handling so hopefully this issue will no longer happen (and hopefully I didn't introduce any bugs

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Internal error (no crash) in PyTILE when attempting to add these bitmaps to this tileset. I tried to do it one at a time, and after the error popped up, hitting the magnifying glass icon to look for the bitmaps again did nothing.

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This is all without testing functionality within SC. That means I have not actually tested putting anything inside SC, just the program itself.

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User Interface
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- Bottom left buttons seem cutout. They're 5 buttons on the bottom left that give me the impression they are cutout. Cannot resize window to view them fully.
I can't reproduce this, can I get a screenshot?
- Cannot vertically resize window
This is intentional
- Import asks for 256 Color bitmap. Could you make it say which pallete it uses? Users can just save 256 color bitmap in paint and later figure out after imorting their stars that there is a pallete issue. Having it say Starcraft 256 color unit pallete bitmap or something like so would be cool or at least add somehting aroudn those lines in the help button.
I do plan to update the docs and include links to tutorials from the apps.
- Help webpage does not work. Server down?
There is no docs for it yet
- PyGOT program icon.
Yeah i'll need to make one
- "Add default starcraft MPQ" button. What does it do? I follow the Shift + Ins instruction and nothing happens in Program Settings.
It tries to ensure the default starcraft MPQ's are added to the list. When you first launch a PyMS program, it tries to use the InstallPath in your registry to automatically add the mpqs in your sc path for you. If you don't have the registry keys, then you can click that button to choose your SC dir and add the MPQs (the scdir is also saved into the PyMS settings and used for all programs from then on).
- stars tab selection does not function properly. kinda Selecting in shift+click mode. Always on multiple selection mode on.
That is intentional
- Pencil button is usually for "edit". "draw" or "paint" is usually a brush.
Not really, the pencil tool is for drawing in many tools (Paint, Photoshop, etc.). I also don't have another icon.

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Design Concepts
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- Just a thought. Why can two of the same star be placed on the same layer on the same position? Would putting a thousand of each star in the same position affect gameplay? This would be undesired and you could add an option to "Clean duplicates"
Yeah I could add that, but is it really a common issue? I feel like most of the time stars won't be exactly on top of eachother as well, so it won't work as well as hoped.
- Cannot delete stars in pallete nor stars tab?
Yeah looks like you can't delete from the palette yet. You should be able to delete stars with the Delete/Backspace keys on the keyboard, but it looks like there were some keyboard focus issues. This should be fixed now.
- Help button does not open default browser to open the help webage
You have reported this before, I can't seem to do anything about this.
- What do the auto-lock and auto-visibility buttons do? I do not think they function as desired which is why I am asking.
They are working fine for me. Auto-visibility means only the layer you have selected will be visible, auto-lock means only the layer you have selected will be unlocked.
- Unnamed.spk is created when new file is clicked. "Untitled.spk" would be best? More standard naming?
All PyMS programs use "Unnamed". I have never really though about it and think I might keep it
- Is there a way to change the default SC directory? After 1.18 many of us migrated our 1.16.1 folder to another one. PyMS seems to get the path from registry key which is alright but we should be able to change it too.
Hmm, there is no way currently. I can add one. For now you can edit the scdir in Settings\PyMS.txt (if you just delete the scdir then clicking the Add default starcraft mpqs button will let you select the dir)
- "Load SPK from default MPQ" button. Just so we can have a quick SPK to edit that is exactly like starcraft's one. Could load from MPQ or could be one that you provide with PyMS but this would make editing/importing/exporting of SC's parallax more convinient and faster as we no longer would have to extract our own copy. This function should NOT directly edit the MPQ but rather just load it into the program's memory or whatever.
I can look into it.
- Can we have a "Load BMP and Pallete it" functionality? Or a specialized tool that handles that for us. This is for new unexperienced users in modding that will have issues with palletes, not to mention difficulty acquiring a program that palletes properly.
Hmmm, I like this idea, but I'll have to think about this and do a little research.
- Cannot delete layers?
There is a delete button, seems to work fine for me?
- Cannot import multiple files? So i wanted to import 3 stars at the same time. Nope. One by one. What if I want to import a THOUSAND?
I can look into it.
- Cannot delete placed stars?
Looks like there was a keyboard focus issue so the Delete/Backspace keys wouldn't work if you had clicked on certain things before. This should be fixed now.
- Hotkeys for editing in workspace? If I want to switch between select/move/draw I have to travel with my mouse all the way bottom left to press a very tiny button. Would be cool if you had hotkeys S/M/E to switch between those modes on workspace
I can add this.
- Scrolling on parallax screen would be nice just so you can preview your work. I understand that your screen is 640 x 480 px but how about an "infinite scrolling" so you can preview the parallax? (SCRATCH THIS I JUST REALISED THERE IS A PREVIEW BUTTON)

Thanks!

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- Can we have a "Load BMP and Pallete it" functionality? Or a specialized tool that handles that for us. This is for new unexperienced users in modding that will have issues with palletes, not to mention difficulty acquiring a program that palletes properly.
Hmmm, I like this idea, but I'll have to think about this and do a little research.

Does this mean load a bmp with any palette, and have it convert each pixel to the platform (or otherwise specified) palette? If so, the most common method I'm aware of is to use dist = (r_img - r_pal)^2 + (g_img - g_pal)^2 + (b_img - b_pal)^2, and assign the loaded pixel the palette index with the lowest dist. Note that there is no need to sqrt it, since sqrt is slow and if x > y then x^2 > y^2 too.

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It means exactly what you just solved. There you go poiuy. You have no excuses now.

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Thanks for fixing those poiuy! Now I just have to yell at farty until he expands the tilesets LMAO

- Trying to save a script which refers to a nonexisting block (goto(nonexisting)) crashes PyAI.
- eval_harass takes a block as an argument.
- if_dif takes two bytes and a block (Though it's not really useful)
- easy_attack takes a byte and military (Not useful either)

Also would be nice if PyAI didn't require parentheses in the script like in iscript/scaiedit.

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Hey pouiy, I am attemtping to use your modding suite, but even following all the steps it is not running any of the tools. It brings up a quick command prompt, then closes immediately and I get nothing.

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Crashdump from PyAI after attempting to save.

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- Trying to save a script which refers to a nonexisting block (goto(nonexisting)) crashes PyAI.

These were the same issues, and it is fixed now, thanks!

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- eval_harass takes a block as an argument.
- if_dif takes two bytes and a block (Though it's not really useful)
- easy_attack takes a byte and military (Not useful either)

I have updated these commands, including new tooltips based on information from the Defining AI commands and functions thread (planning to go over the rest of the thread at some point as well)

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Also would be nice if PyAI didn't require parentheses in the script like in iscript/scaiedit.

I don't really have any plans to change this, but I'm not necessarily against it.

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Hey pouiy, I am attemtping to use your modding suite, but even following all the steps it is not running any of the tools. It brings up a quick command prompt, then closes immediately and I get nothing.

What steps did you try following? Also if you check in Libs\Logs\ there might be a crash log.

Also, I have started using github issues. I will use it for issues and feedback that I don't implement right away, as well as my long term goals/plans. So you can take a look to see what might be coming down the pipeline.

Edit: PyTILE now supports expanded VX4 files used by FaRTy's VX4 Expander Plugin

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 22 2017, 6:56 am by poiuy_qwert.

Everything checks out so far with PyTILE + vx4ex. Looking good! Thanks to both of you for making this possible and to SI for opting to add functionality to SCMDraft.

Minor bug in PyGRP: hitting 'import BMP' and then 'cancel' throws an error message.

edit: Is there a set of instructions somewhere on how to use PyTILE to edit doodad data? I want to turn my custom tiles into doodads placeable in SCMDraft and I figure it should be possible but I haven't actually looked into it. Replacing existing doodads isn't great either. SCMD's brush palette that SI's working on makes it significantly easier to mess around with but it'd feel more organic and composed if it was able to be built into the doodad layer.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 22 2017, 8:25 am by Pr0nogo.

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Hey pouiy, I am attemtping to use your modding suite, but even following all the steps it is not running any of the tools. It brings up a quick command prompt, then closes immediately and I get nothing.

What steps did you try following? Also if you check in Libs\Logs\ there might be a crash log.

I followed your instructions for installing, relayed to me by Pr0nogo. However Python was not showing in my library, so I downloaded the official installer from their website and then I was able to install the image library. Finally downloaded PyMS and it simply doesn't... Do anything.

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Everything checks out so far with PyTILE + vx4ex. Looking good! Thanks to both of you for making this possible and to SI for opting to add functionality to SCMDraft.

Great! I always wanted to see more tileset changes, so I'm glad to be able to improve the tileset editing process.

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Minor bug in PyGRP: hitting 'import BMP' and then 'cancel' throws an error message.

Fixed.

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edit: Is there a set of instructions somewhere on how to use PyTILE to edit doodad data? I want to turn my custom tiles into doodads placeable in SCMDraft and I figure it should be possible but I haven't actually looked into it. Replacing existing doodads isn't great either. SCMD's brush palette that SI's working on makes it significantly easier to mess around with but it'd feel more organic and composed if it was able to be built into the doodad layer.

Not really. Doodads are groups 1024+, so you just have to make sure you are editing those groups or adding groups at the bottom. Also, when you import your group graphics, if you don't select something to import onto, it will be added to the end as a doodad group. I don't really remember how the doodad editing works off the top of my head, or if it works well, so feedback is welcome!

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Hey pouiy, I am attemtping to use your modding suite, but even following all the steps it is not running any of the tools. It brings up a quick command prompt, then closes immediately and I get nothing.

What steps did you try following? Also if you check in Libs\Logs\ there might be a crash log.

I followed your instructions for installing, relayed to me by Pr0nogo. However Python was not showing in my library, so I downloaded the official installer from their website and then I was able to install the image library. Finally downloaded PyMS and it simply doesn't... Do anything.

I need more details. What are the exact steps you followed? It doesn't sound like you followed my steps here. Did you check in the Logs folder?

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I need more details. What are the exact steps you followed? It doesn't sound like you followed my steps here. Did you check in the Logs folder?

1. Install Python from their website.

2. Install PIL.

3. Downloaded PyMS.

4. Attempt to launch anything from PyMS, nothing happens.

5. Complain about it to poiuy_qwert

6. Double check my steps.

7. Complain about it to poiuy_qwert

8. Triple check my steps. Check for logs in all related paths.

9. Compile this list of my steps for poiuy_qwert

I am using Windows 10 x64 if that matters in the slightest. Logs folders was empty.

None.

Prep_down should take 3 parameters, PyAI recognizes none (It should take byte, byte, military)
Same issue with harass_factor, takes none, should take (word) as parameter.
I'll go over all commands and see if there's anything more, will edit this post if there is

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I need more details. What are the exact steps you followed? It doesn't sound like you followed my steps here. Did you check in the Logs folder?

1. Install Python from their website.

2. Install PIL.

3. Downloaded PyMS.

4. Attempt to launch anything from PyMS, nothing happens.

5. Complain about it to poiuy_qwert

6. Double check my steps.

7. Complain about it to poiuy_qwert

8. Triple check my steps. Check for logs in all related paths.

9. Compile this list of my steps for poiuy_qwert

I am using Windows 10 x64 if that matters in the slightest. Logs folders was empty.

Looks like I solved the issue. Pronogo was giving me a bad file or something, because I uninstalled everything and re-downloaded all the necessary files myself via google. Everything works now.

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The issue was apparently a 64-bit OS not accepting 32-bit files (or maybe the other way around, which would make more sense, since 32bit stuff works fine on 64bit computers). I've updated the links in my manly thread.

I think PyMS doesn't work on 64-bit python installation because the bundled SFmpq.dll is 32-bit.

I do have a 64-bit one here if anyone needs or if poiuy wishes to bundle it

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SFmpq.dll
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Prep_down should take 3 parameters, PyAI recognizes none (It should take byte, byte, military)
Same issue with harass_factor, takes none, should take (word) as parameter.
I'll go over all commands and see if there's anything more, will edit this post if there is

I have updated these commands. ~~I didn't really find a description of what harass_factor does, so the tooltip is essentially just "does something related to unit strengths in a region". If you have more details I can update it.~~ (Edit: Neiv posted details) Also I do have plans to go over the Defining AI commands and functions thread at some point, but if point out high priority items I will continue to update them. Also if there are other sources of AI information you can link to or know of stuff not written down, I would love to include it.

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Looks like I solved the issue. Pronogo was giving me a bad file or something, because I uninstalled everything and re-downloaded all the necessary files myself via google. Everything works now.

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The issue was apparently a 64-bit OS not accepting 32-bit files (or maybe the other way around, which would make more sense, since 32bit stuff works fine on 64bit computers). I've updated the links in my manly thread.

Alright. I was thinking that once I finally update the README on github, you could update your thread to just link to the installation instructions there? That way I can keep them up to date if there are any changes or fixes that have to be made.

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I think PyMS doesn't work on 64-bit python installation because the bundled SFmpq.dll is 32-bit.

I do have a 64-bit one here if anyone needs or if poiuy wishes to bundle it

Yeah MPQ functionality may not work for 64bit python, but it shouldn't have just crashed/not run like that. I think it might have been another issue, but i'll also look into my dependancy checks. I also dealt with this on Mac already. There are ways to force python to run in 32bit mode, so I had a command line alias to do that, but then I finally bundled both the 32bit and 64bit into the mac .dylib, but didn't really think about windows as well... I can look into bundling the 64bit .dll, I just wont be able to test it myself. Anyone willing and able to test that out at some point?

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 23 2017, 3:27 am by poiuy_qwert.

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When you save a GRP with PyGRP, you lose a pixel.

Garbage'd for visibility.

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I was thinking that once I finally update the README on github, you could update your thread to just link to the installation instructions there?

Yeah, absolutely. I'll drop a link there now anyways so I can preempt any initial issues, and leave a stipulation that if you have further problems you can come to this thread to report them to you directly.

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I can look into bundling the 64bit .dll, I just wont be able to test it myself. Anyone willing and able to test that out at some point?

Assuming the requirements are 'running a 64-bit windows', I can definitely give it a whirl, but it's worth noting that I don't have any problems starting PyMPQ or opening an mpq file in it (haven't tested it beyond that yet).