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So this movie was actually amazing, I enjoyed every moment of it and felt that it was put together really well. The way they brought together many different theories and used what we do know about the universe in this movie as accurately as possible, excluding a couple scenes that were Hollywood'd. Matthew McConaughey didn't even take his shirt off! That is how serious this movie was.
If you want to watch a space thriller, check out Sunshine. If you want to see a space nerdgasm, go see Interstellar. Everyone I know that has knows at least a little bit about things like time dilation, the theory of relativity, Einstein–Rosen bridges (wormholes), black holes/accretion disc, interstellar travel, dimensional barriers, galactic understanding... This movie has all that on top of good character development, tugs at the heart strings, and excellent portrayal of human error.
Oh and don't worry, it has some of the best comic relief that is really well placed.
EDIT: If you read further than this post, there are spoilers. Don't go further. Herp derp.
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This movie fucking kicked ass.
Go see it in IMAX.
Thank you!
I now have a movie on my "To Watch" list. Good for wasting time.
Sunshine was crap, I don't think calling it a thriller is justified, since it turns into a schlocky horror movie in the 3rd act.
Interstellar was good, but I don't think it lives up to the hype / reviews. Notably during the wormhole trip the camera kept focussing inside the ship, rather than actually showing the damn visual spectacle the characters were oggling at. It also had some very dumb moves by the characters, plot devices / obstacles that weren't adequately explained or justified, characters that were in the film that effectively had no purpose and the situation on Earth was very poorly fleshed out and frankly didn't make sense. It also took me a very long time to work out that CASE and TARS were two different robots; the voices sounded too similar and I don't think they ever showed them side-by-side in a single shot. They also didn't make it clear whether the wormhole was the same thing as gargantua or not; I'm 95% sure it wasn't but it wasn't really stated (a lot of people on the imdb message board seem to treat them as the same object).
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The wormhole was what it sounds like: a wormhole. It took them to the new system where they found Gargantua, the black hole that the planets were orbiting around.
I think you mean Dramastellar.
The movie's sci-fi aspect was mediocre. The rest was all fun though. Dropped the ball with time travel, unfortunately.
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Sunshine was crap, I don't think calling it a thriller is justified, since it turns into a schlocky horror movie in the 3rd act.
Interstellar was good, but I don't think it lives up to the hype / reviews. Notably during the wormhole trip the camera kept focussing inside the ship, rather than actually showing the damn visual spectacle the characters were oggling at. It also had some very dumb moves by the characters, plot devices / obstacles that weren't adequately explained or justified, characters that were in the film that effectively had no purpose and the situation on Earth was very poorly fleshed out and frankly didn't make sense. It also took me a very long time to work out that CASE and TARS were two different robots; the voices sounded too similar and I don't think they ever showed them side-by-side in a single shot. They also didn't make it clear whether the wormhole was the same thing as gargantua or not; I'm 95% sure it wasn't but it wasn't really stated (a lot of people on the imdb message board seem to treat them as the same object).
A lot of these things were pretty simple and explained during the movie, were you paying attention? Don't mean to be a dick. It is shown that TARS went to activate CASE the moment they docked. It is also explained that the wormhole and Gargantua were not the same thing. For one, you couldn't exit a black hole... Things go in, not out. Again, what we do know of black holes kind of throws out the idea of what they did here... It should have taken them a ridiculous amount of time to enter the black hole as time dilation around one basically makes it so that even light is left lingering there for an absurd amount of time... Hence the accretion disc.
They might not have explained things as much as they should have and I feel that is why people are looking at it as an okay movie. Like there are a few lines in the movie that seem to hint at there is actually a star stuck in the pull of Gargantua, not to be confused with the fact that Gargantua was also once a star before it collapsed. Also yes, the characters kind of have to do retarded things, that's what makes the story happen. Not even the smartest people in the world can be retarded and selfish.
I think you mean Dramastellar.
The movie's sci-fi aspect was mediocre. The rest was all fun though. Dropped the ball with time travel, unfortunately.
How did they drop the ball with time travel? They dodged it as much as possible up until the tesseract and explained that they have little to no knowledge with time travel besides that you cannot physically travel backwards. However through time dilation, you can enter a field where time travels much slower than that of time outside, which is a trigger for most of the events of the movie. They then show that gravity can travel backward in time inside of the tesseract. Viewing past events and watching them change as you perform them could be attributed through the active manipulation of time dilation, gravity, and light... Or just tossing up that they are masters of space and time within the 5th or higher dimension.
There are many different theories on everything that happens in this movie and they just chose certain ones to portray in this movie. Cannot really say they fucked up when they used facts correctly. Take the accretion disc... That's what it would probably look like, same with the Einstein-Rosen bridge.
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A lot of these things were pretty simple and explained during the movie, were you paying attention?
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It is shown that TARS went to activate CASE the moment they docked.
I must have missed that.
It is also explained that the wormhole and Gargantua were not the same thing. For one, you couldn't exit a black hole... Things go in, not out.
No, it was not "explained" that the wormhole and Gargantua were not the same thing. Like I said, I was 95% sure they were different things, but MANY people on the IMDB message board are treating them like they're the same thing. It is quite clear that the wormhole at Saturn was a wormhole, but people seem to think that the other end of the wormhole was Gargantua. I think that's because immediately when they arrive in the new system they start talking about Gargantua, but never show the a shot of the wormhole (as they move away from it), nor do they mention the wormhole and Gargantua in the same sentence. It wasn't helped by the fact that they didn't mention Gargantua at all until they actually got through the wormhole; if this had been presented by Prof Brand while they were on Earth it would have set the scene a lot better. They mention the planets on the other side of the wormhole, but never said "oh, and there's the biggest black hole we've ever seen there, too".
Also yes, the characters kind of have to do retarded things, that's what makes the story happen. Not even the smartest people in the world can be retarded and selfish.
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My point here was really that they decide to go down to the water planet with really shaky logic. They plan to only get down and back out in an hour (assuming everything will go perfectly - stupid) and that that will use up 7 years of their time. The obvious alternative would have just been to stay in a far orbit for 2-3 years and collect as much data as possible from that distance. They would have easily seen the massive tides and given up on it then. They also said that Miller's beacon had been active for 10 years or whatever, but didn't take into account the time dilation and what that would mean for how much data she had actually collected, or whether it would even be suitable for humans to live on a planet in a gravity well like that (ie, no real chance of satellites in the future). Then this whole thing is missing why they had to send humans down onto the planets in the first place. We know what the atmosphere of Pluto is like, despite being very far away from it; orbiting a planet for a couple of months will surely give them all they need to know whether it's a desolate ice ball or a temperate Mars. It seemed very much like a case of making decisions with scant data under some level of "urgency" that ultimately (and forseeably) screwed them.
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To help give you an idea, when they exit the wormhole, they are looking at Gargantua... So they are not the same thing.
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Hmm I think I will wait for the DVD release of this film. I think Christopher Nolan generally does a good job though. Gotta laugh at how Michael Caine is ALWAYS in his movies though hahaha.
How did they drop the ball with time travel? They dodged it as much as possible up until the tesseract and explained that they have little to no knowledge with time travel besides that you cannot physically travel backwards. However through time dilation, you can enter a field where time travels much slower than that of time outside, which is a trigger for most of the events of the movie. They then show that gravity can travel backward in time inside of the tesseract. Viewing past events and watching them change as you perform them could be attributed through the active manipulation of time dilation, gravity, and light... Or just tossing up that they are masters of space and time within the 5th or higher dimension.
By introducing a bootstrap paradox. And an unnecessary one, too. Things got weird when they went into Gargantua, and I mean that in an Indiana Jones way.
There are many different theories on everything that happens in this movie and they just chose certain ones to portray in this movie. Cannot really say they fucked up when they used facts correctly. Take the accretion disc... That's what it would probably look like, same with the Einstein-Rosen bridge.
They did hire a real physicist to do all that fun stuff. They did exaggerate it a lot, though. The time dilation was really terrific.
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By introducing a bootstrap paradox. And an unnecessary one, too. Things got weird when they went into Gargantua, and I mean that in an Indiana Jones way.
Well, in any shared timeline where time travel causes retroactive changes in the timeline so that any changes have already been made... There will always be a bootstrap paradox. However you must remember that in any scenario using a retroactive theory of time travel (please give me an actual name of a theory for this method), that there could have been gradual changes until the loop became "perfect" and you would never see the process that lead to it. An example is that maybe he was originally found by NASA and went about the same events, but much later. Repeat this over and over with various results, until it gets to the events that create a constant loop. You would never see non-repeating loops because they would get overwritten immediately... Time travel is insane yo!
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I think the end bit where he sent 'quantum data' through morse code was really dumb.. I mean for the movie to take into account all of these crazy physics phenomena, and then end with 1) him going into a black hole (which most people know isn't possible) and 2) him sending what they just call quantum data through morse code back in time... I mean seriously. What the heck does that even mean, and wouldn't it fill like 20 books worth of paper, especially if your using morse code?
And also that stuff about "love transcends all of the dimensions!" was just plain annoying and stupid. I really wanted to hit the chick when she was saying that stuff on the ship.. eeesh. It kind of felt like they had finished the script and went "Oh shit, we forgot to add in a theme! Let's pick a random one out of this hat... Oh, looks like were doing something something love conquers all or something! woo!" Though I'm a little hesitant to go that far since a lot of the movie actually had intricate ties to this theme, like him sending the time-message through his daughter (i.e. the love between the daughter and the main character conquered time), and some other things. I guess I just wish they had a better theme - something that was a little more... unique than 'love rules!'
Finally, I thought the final 'solution' for a happy ending was cliche, and wanted something a little.. more. I mean what their solution really boils down to is: mankind sent information needed to develop time travel back in time from their future selves, thus allowing their future selves to develop time travel and do so. Which almost has that 'woahhh, mind = blown' affect, but falls short, since it's been done so many times before in other movies and the like. It just sort of seems like a go-to thing to implement when they need some way out of a corner they've written themselves into
but whatever, that's just my opinion.
Regardless, I thought the movie looked spectacular and did enjoy most all of it, it's non-uniqueness in resolution and theme aside.
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Went to watch it the other day. Liked it quite a lot. The story was interesting. Even though it seemed like a science based movie, it felt more like a fantasy for me.
I usually really hate movies with Anne Hathaway, but liked her in this one (Other than the part where love and whatnot which was weird, but at that point, they were going crazy a little.). (Matthew McConaughey is still the one that carries the movie and makes it work.)
The visuals were stunning for the most part. Really cool what they did with the robots.
Also the feels
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By introducing a bootstrap paradox. And an unnecessary one, too. Things got weird when they went into Gargantua, and I mean that in an Indiana Jones way.
Well, in any shared timeline where time travel causes retroactive changes in the timeline so that any changes have already been made... There will always be a bootstrap paradox. However you must remember that in any scenario using a retroactive theory of time travel (please give me an actual name of a theory for this method), that there could have been gradual changes until the loop became "perfect" and you would never see the process that lead to it. An example is that maybe he was originally found by NASA and went about the same events, but much later. Repeat this over and over with various results, until it gets to the events that create a constant loop. You would never see non-repeating loops because they would get overwritten immediately... Time travel is insane yo!
My understanding of time travel, which is all highly speculative but logically consistent, does allow for a bootstrap paradox to occur under specific circumstances. Given its use was unnecessary and merely there to shock the audience, it was poorly fleshed out and failed to include crucial world lines to make it work.
The word you're looking for might be
retrocausality. What you're talking about is world line convergence, which does require consistently changing the past. All world lines that converge upon a specific event are said to be in the same attraction field. Similarly, it's possible to change attraction fields through world line divergence.
A bootstrap paradox can only be formed by changing the past without leaving the attraction field with regards to the cause of the retrocausality. In other words, you're creating a branched world line that was once apart of the previous world line.
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The upshot is that it was unnecessary and fails to explain how the loop was created to begin with. The only plausible explanation is that They were the ones who sent the first message back, creating the bootstrap world line. This still does not make it necessary, since the plot could have very well have him found NASA in far more reasonable way. For instance, the drone actually being NASA's that suffered a malfunction and crashed. He recovers the drone and uses it to find NASA's HQ.
But if you want to throw time travel in there just because, then so be it. But I don't feel like it reflects well on the story to use time travel as wrenched as a plot device just to make your audience go, "WOW DAT WAS SOME INCEPTIOIN SHIT RIGHT THAR."
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For instance, the drone actually being NASA's that suffered a malfunction and crashed. He recovers the drone and uses it to find NASA's HQ.
That's what actually happened in the 'original script', which was written in 2008 or so. The script is available to read on the internet, the following is my recollection of a post on IMDB that summarised the plot points of that movie:
- NASA flew probes through the wormhole, rather than people looking for new Earths
- The wormhole was created by actual aliens, and their goal seemed to be to rescue some lifeforms from a planet on the other side of the wormhole, they couldn't care less about humanity
- I'm unsure if Earth was fucked in this version or not
- NASA stopped getting information from the probes on the other side, because China had sent their own probes and they were blockading the wormhole
- There was a ship full of crazy robots (or something)
- The probe at the start of the movie was actually a NASA probe that Coop sent back in time which contained the black hole quantum data, which Murph eventually used to solve the equation after she realised what the data meant. Coop had been able to decode some of it and that's how he discovered NASA's co-ordinates.
I haven't read the script, but the summary (which I've badly reproduced here), seems like all of the stuff in the new script is better, except the probe being from NASA and that being how he found their HQ is better in that it doesn't load too much into 'the ghost' fore-shadowing, which proved it wasn't just a 'weird phenomenon' but proved it had real significance and therefore gave the twist away for many people.
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Ok, I bit the bullet and went and saw this movie today. Thoughts:
I like my science fiction and I like my science fantasy. I like my Star Trek and I like my Star Wars.
But I like them separately.
This movie mashed them together. I was enjoying a dystopian sci-fi movie about saving the human race right up until when they passed through the black hole - at which point it became magic. I wish they had just kept with the same theme the whole way through. The deus ex machina with Cooper getting teleported back to Cooper Station at the end was lame. And you'd think if the aliens had such a strong grasp on time they would have sent Coop back to the same timeline as when he first entered the black hole?
Also, there was a slight consistency issue which I think must have been a fuck up: Anne Hathaway is seen on the planet as being the same age, and Cooper is returning to her - even though Merv has aged to grandma age. Shouldn't Hathaway be old as well?
Hmm... what else? Yeah - this movie had that annoying problem where the sound effects/music drowns out the voice. Several times I found myself straining/unable to hear wtf people were saying. Damn I wish cinema had subtitles.
Conclusion: basically, all my problems with the movie are to do with after they enter the black hole.
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Well, his trip into the black hole and the tesseract thing took 50 years, which is somewhat in line with the time dilation. You could say he was frozen in time within the tesseract and after he did everything, he was moved through space and not time, to where the wormhole was...
Regarding Hathaway's character, I do not remember if they said anything about the planet she went to being in the time dilation field. Since she was also in the time dilation field when they did their slingshot around Gargantua, she could have missed a decade or two. So she couldn't be more than 40 or 50 from that alone.
As is stated several times throughout the movie, matter cannot travel backwards in time and they never broke this rule.
Personally, I saw it in an XD theater and there was never a time when the sound drowned out the voices.
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The last shot of Dr Brand, standing and looking at her little basecamp, IIRC right after Murph has said she would be "standing under an alian sky" etc, she didn't look like she'd aged at all.
So presumably she was in the time slip when she slingshotted around the black hole. But Cooper went *into* the blackhole, which I've heard actually stretches time to near-infinity (so that you 'never enter the blackhole').
Also, as for mass not travelling back in time, clearly Cooper was able to influence the past directly when he saw Brand going through the wormhole, and stretched out to 'shake' her hand.
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