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Kony 2012
Mar 7 2012, 12:39 am
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Mar 12 2012, 10:56 pm Sacrieur Post #41

Still Napping

If you think something like Spy Kids or GI Joe is an accurate portrayal of what it's actually like to be a spy, then you might want to start reading your books and stop trying to eat them.

While the CIA has access to lots of really snazzy technology, clandestine agents with over a decade of training and experience, and lots of funding, they don't have anything beyond the cutting edge of science. And to be honest, intelligence is as much about infiltration as it is about having all the latest gear, and it's about applying the right leverage at the right time in the right way.

It's all a game of strings and lies, which is probably why I dislike it so much, but if you think finding Kony in big jungle is something that's easy. It's not.



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Mar 13 2012, 1:56 pm matefkr Post #42



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I probably messed up the grammer. Anyway, the conclusion I mentioned is that if they suggest to share on facebook, they can see how many other positive responses there are (shares of the video, or shares of other videoes, stating something contrary, like that the usa just wants oil there etc).

The person seriously thinking that they only have the cutting edge of science should stop and think. Do you know what the cutting edge of science is? Like the technological secrets of corporations responsible for high-end stuff? You have some brain and nowledge, think how you can be wrong, and compare it to why do you think you are right. You probably all believed the numbers on youtube, and concluded on it.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 14 2012, 4:30 pm by CecilSunkure. Reason: You have to type properly to participate...



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Mar 13 2012, 5:07 pm Sacrieur Post #43

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Probably i messed up the grammer. Anyway, the conclusion i mentioned is that if they suggest to share on facebook, they can see, how many other positive responses are (shares of the video, or shares of other videoes, stating something contrary, like that the usa just wants oil there etc).

The person siriuosly thinking that they only have the cutting edge of science, should stop and think. Do u know whats the cutting edge of science? do u know it all? like the technological secrets of corporations responsible for high-end stuff? U have some brain and nowledge, think how u can be wrong, and compare it to why do u think u are right. Probably u all belived the numbers on utube, and concluded on it. Thats why u are mad (both of u).

Well, corporations may have engineered a device that's pretty cool, like the iPad, but it's far from actually being cutting edge. If anyone has any super secret technology it's DARPA, and even then it's just ambitious (let's make a flying car that shoots lasers!). NASA is pretty cutting edge, and they've come up with some pretty cool stuff like aerogel and ice cream that isn't all that tasty.

But those are science agencies. The CIA is not a scientific agency, they are an espionage agency. A lot of their funding doesn't go into making cool technology shit.

As far as weapon and other technology goes, the government, all of them, aren't ahead of the curve you will find in scientific journals.



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Mar 13 2012, 8:14 pm Roy Post #44

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

Okay, this is starting to get ridiculous. We have a report feature, so if you have an issue with someone's post not meeting LD's standards, report it. Otherwise, you should either be contributing to the discussion or not posting at all.

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If the Ugandan government asks the USA to come kill him and then go away, and the USA does so and no more, then that would be acceptable. Until then, the assassination of a citizen of a country by a foreign power is both illegal and am act of war and should not be promoted by anyone.
This is actually an interesting point. I can assume the Ugandan government wants U.S. aid, as we've already been working with them by sending one hundred men to help their military. I have no reason to believe the Ugandan government sees us as unwanted, but if you can find a source for this, I'll be happy to weigh the possibility.

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Uganda and the Congo don't exactly have the strongest militaries, either. You might think its their responsibility because he's in their countries, but obviously they can't handle taking him out, so they need help.

Also, keep in mind that Kony isn't just an innocent "citizen of another country", like you're saying: he's an internationally indicted war criminal. He's also not in Uganda anymore.
That's true: Kony isn't in Uganda anymore. We're essentially training an army that will presumably have to invade another country to accomplish this goal (and yes, Invisible Children is advocating support for the Ugandan government).

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Don't think the US should police the world? Petition to resign from the UN security council. Sorry, we made it our business when we became permanent members. We need to pay our dues.
I don't think we should be the only acting force, certainly. China, Russia, France, and the United Kingdom also are part of the security council, and I'm sure at least one of them is involved in fewer wars than we are at the moment.

What I'm trying to say is that the UNSC doesn't stand for "United States Security Council," and it should be a more collective effort than an individual one. And to answer your question, no, I don't think the US should police the world, but that's another topic.



Here's a snippet from Adam Branch, a senior research fellow at the Makerere Institute of Social Research, Uganda:

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Kony 2012 and the debate around it are not about Uganda, but about America. Uganda is largely just the stage for a debate over the meaning of political activism in the US today. Likewise, in my view, the Kony 2012 campaign itself is basically irrelevant here in Uganda, and perhaps the best approach might be to just ignore it. This is for a couple reasons.

First, because Invisible Children's campaign is a symptom, not a cause. It is an excuse that the US government has gladly adopted in order to help justify the expansion of their military presence in central Africa. Invisible Children are "useful idiots", being used by those in the US government who seek to militarise Africa, to send more and more weapons and military aid, and to bolster the power of states who are US allies.

The hunt for Joseph Kony is the perfect excuse for this strategy - how often does the US government find millions of young Americans pleading that they intervene militarily in a place rich in oil and other resources? The US government would be pursuing this militarisation with or without Invisible Children - Kony 2012 just makes it a little easier. Therefore, it is the militarisation we need to worry about, not Invisible Children.

Second, because in northern Uganda, people's lives will be left untouched by this campaign, even if it were to achieve its stated objectives. This is not because all the problems have been resolved in the years since open fighting ended, but because the very serious problems people face today have little to do with Kony.

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In terms of activism, the first step is to re-think the question: Instead of asking how the US can intervene in order to solve Africa's conflicts, we need to ask what we are already doing to cause those conflicts in the first place. How are we, as consumers, contributing to land grabbing and to the wars ravaging this region? How are we, as US citizens, allowing our government to militarise Africa in the name of the "War on Terror" and its effort to secure oil resources?
A lot of criticism of this movement is that it's not so much about helping others as it is a political move. If we really wanted to help Uganda, there are better things to do than funding a corrupt government.

TL;DR: Good guys helping bad guys wage war on innocent guys to kill a bad guy. Right?




Mar 13 2012, 11:37 pm dumbducky Post #45



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The video was great and all but... take a look at this.
If people notice this, the makers of the video are going to be really embarrased.

Take notice of what? Logical fallacies and conservative drivel?

Yeah, let's back off and see what happens. If you look at Kony's track record, this is his strategy. He backs off, accepts peace talks, and as soon as the pressure is off he goes right back to pillaging. Sorry no, we shouldn't have to fall for his shit anymore.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned. Abduct one child, and peace talks are off. The line has been crossed and there isn't any coming back. Justice should be hard and swift.
What's your stance on Iraq and Afghanistan? How about Iran?



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Mar 14 2012, 4:13 am Sacrieur Post #46

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I don't think we should be the only acting force, certainly. China, Russia, France, and the United Kingdom also are part of the security council, and I'm sure at least one of them is involved in fewer wars than we are at the moment.

What I'm trying to say is that the UNSC doesn't stand for "United States Security Council," and it should be a more collective effort than an individual one. And to answer your question, no, I don't think the US should police the world, but that's another topic.

And where is the pressure to get them to do something?

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Quote from Sacrieur
Quote from rayNimagi
Quote from name:Raccoon
The video was great and all but... take a look at this.
If people notice this, the makers of the video are going to be really embarrased.

Take notice of what? Logical fallacies and conservative drivel?

Yeah, let's back off and see what happens. If you look at Kony's track record, this is his strategy. He backs off, accepts peace talks, and as soon as the pressure is off he goes right back to pillaging. Sorry no, we shouldn't have to fall for his shit anymore.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned. Abduct one child, and peace talks are off. The line has been crossed and there isn't any coming back. Justice should be hard and swift.
What's your stance on Iraq and Afghanistan? How about Iran?

I actively followed and supported the 2009-10 Iranian protests (even threatened to be expelled over wearing a green headband). Invading their country now would only help to undermine the political dissent most of the country has for the current regime. It's a very complicated issue.

For the rest, I'm with Hitchens.



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Mar 17 2012, 2:44 am MillenniumArmy Post #47



Lol fail Kony 2012 creator



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Mar 19 2012, 5:36 pm MetalGear Post #48



Do you people seriously watch a 30-minute propaganda video and immediately buy into the idea? Do the research and you will find the Kony movement is nothing more than a hoax operation, aligned with government incentives. Think about the following facts...

» Invisible Children profits over $13 million per year.
» 31% of donations actually go to causes in Uganda. Donations are given to Ugandan military.
» Kony's army was formed 22 years ago, and was last active 6 years ago.
» Since then, Kony is thought to be either dead or fled Uganda to another country.
» Ugandan people rarely even mention Kony and are puzzled by all the hype.
» Oil found in Uganda. Surprise surprise.
» 2 House Lawmakers have introduced a resolution seeking to expand US military forces in Africa.

So there are a few additional facts they didn't tell you in the video. Now I'm not going to waste my time arguing a point. The information speaks for itself. But seriously, before you all jump in the bandwagon, just think it through, and maybe do a bit of extra research for yourselves instead of gullibly tagging along with everyone else.



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Mar 19 2012, 6:18 pm TiKels Post #49



It wouldn't be good propaganda if it didn't immediately suck you in.



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Mar 19 2012, 6:25 pm Sacrieur Post #50

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» Invisible Children profits over $13 million per year.

And?


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» 31% of donations actually go to causes in Uganda. Donations are given to Ugandan military.

Don't care.


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» Kony's army was formed 22 years ago, and was last active 6 years ago.

Last active in Uganda, you mean. They've been wrecking havoc in the Congo.


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» Ugandan people rarely even mention Kony and are puzzled by all the hype.

Source?


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» Oil found in Uganda. Surprise surprise.

Do you mean to imply something?


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» 2 House Lawmakers have introduced a resolution seeking to expand US military forces in Africa.

Which parts of Africa?



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Mar 23 2012, 6:10 pm Aristocrat Post #51







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Mar 28 2012, 12:06 am EzTerix Post #52



STOP KONY 2012!

WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE! STOP THE BRUTALITY IN UGANDA! STOP KONY!



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Mar 28 2012, 1:16 am Sacrieur Post #53

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Quote from EzTerix
STOP KONY 2012!

WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE! STOP THE BRUTALITY IN UGANDA! STOP KONY!

Late to the party much?



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