Right, I meant that I have yet to see anyone else produce any clue interpretations against lil-Inferno.

Someone should implement a "Threads Last Viewed By This Member" function in everyone's profile that tracks and records every thread they visit.

No, someone shouldn't.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone noticed and/or cared, but I was throwing in a few jokes/references in the game posts (particularly the Day posts, because they were marked as no-clues). Here's some of them:



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I don't know what you're operating off or what poison's stalk results were, but in no instance did I ever take a "boring result" as 'proof' that they weren't a particular role, merely as evidence that they hadn't used a power on that specific night.

I only stalked Ray because there didn't seem to be any other candidate worth stalking at that stage and I wanted to see what would happen. I was actually expecting to get a dud result, and I said as much in the thread.

Right, I mistook your original content. In the case where you know 'what' they do, it doesn't matter who the victim is. You're saying that you shouldn't know 'what', and therefore 'who' is important. I agree, if it doesn't say 'what' then it needs to say 'who', however it does say 'what' so 'who' in this case is irrelevant.

Given how important roles are in this specific game, and the fact that town was very strongly discouraged from communicating with each other, I think it's fair. If I had stalked poison and it simply said that he visited someone else, that wouldn't really help me at all.

I agree.

Yes, that is more interesting.

Because mafia was down a member.

I don't understand this at all. That is not what I said.

If GMods had suspend as well as hit, then the roles would need to be rebalanced: either 2 GMs and 1 M, or 2 Ms and 1 GM.

Echo and Raccoon were also killed due to misinterpretations of regular clues.

Except this doesn't gel with Tikels saying they only knew he was devilesk because inferno trolled him and got that specific message back. There's no indication that "every time someone targeted Jack with anything" his role was revealed.

Right, chalk this up to my inexperience with mafia, since each time I've had a role that required responses.

HOWEVER, Ex had a specific policy of writing up the relevant night actions in the day post. You can see in the first post he talked about people stalking (poison) and people dodging (Azrael). He didn't include my stalk message because he missed my stalk of tikels and didn't give me the results until I asked for them, but by then the day post was already written. In subsequent day posts, you can see he talks about 2 people stalking other people or giving up etc. So in Ex's descriptions, if mafia had tried to hit someone who was in suspension or who was an elite, I'm sure there would have been some hint as to the result in the day post even if they didn't get a PM telling them of the results. This seems fair - town has to intrepet clues, so should mafia.

Disagree. It's balanced in favour of mafia with the assumption of 2 night hitters and town not being able to organise. They only had 1 and so were at a huge disadvantage.

The fact that you were able to look at TiKels' stalk results, for example, and use it to support what role he is even though he visited nobody is wrong to me. It should have been the same result as if you visited a regular.

Except your result would have read along the lines of "You see poison stalking <name>" with what the ability was doing. It would tell you that he stalked, just like it told you Zycorax killed. I don't think it should have been set up that way.

True, but from what I've seen, even if Lingie was active it wouldn't have balanced the game. I guess we can just disagree on this speculative point.

I apologize; that's how I read it.

Oh shit, Echo was playing this game? I shouldn't have mentioned him in the last game post. I'll fix that.

When the GMod attempted it, I believe they got a response back explaining that they failed and making it clear that it wasn't because their action was interrupted. I could be wrong, though.

I agree, but these things belong in the game post if they're going to be mentioned at all.

When looking at the balance with the way I interpreted how the abilities would be handled, the distribution was relatively well-rounded. However, with the way the abilities were executed, I see it as having balance issues in favor of the Town.

There was nothing to stop the town from organizing that isn't present in most games, so to emphasize this disadvantage is odd; the only difference between Excalibur's coloring and a no-reveal setting is that the Mafia know the revealed roles (except Devilesk), whereas the Town can only speculate. I'll give you that as an advantage, but it's nothing crazy.

I sort of disagree with this given the DA's role. If people organized with the DA (like they did, apparently) then the DA learns their roles and kills them in a mass hit. I think the assumption that revealing your role to someone could get you killed was more present in this one than any prior Mafia game.

Ah yeah, I see. But it's not to say that factor isn't present in other games. Anyone with a power role doesn't want to let the Mafia know, and anyone with a regular role should actually prefer the Mafia to target them over a more powerful role, so they wouldn't want Mafia to know either.

I did enjoy how the DA role stopped (for the most part) players from just revealing their role, but I also didn't notice the town having more difficulty in organizing this game.

I don't know. But the result I got on that night simply said I couldn't find him (because he was suspended). I imagine that the GM would have received a similar message, and if they didn't, they should have.

Strongly disagree on this, for the reason Devlin says.

Maybe I'm just no longer trustworthy given my track record, but Lanth and ray seemed to be the only players I talked to in this game and my alliance with Lanth came about pretty late in the game all things considered. We didn't seem to have a hub like we have in the past, though that may be due to the fact that you were a co-host and typically you become the hub.

I would have hubbed it up immediately. Give me a scenario where me being the hub is bad for my team.

But yeah, I can see the scenario of townies being afraid to share their roles. So if by "organize" you mean "know each others' roles," yes, it was harder. I've worked with people without knowing their roles, though, and I'd still consider that as organizing.

We also had hit him on one night, I believe, which led me to think he was elite.

I'll say



Getting roles is hard, k? I'm a horrible liar and an even worse mafia player. It sucks because I get mafia like 5 out of 7 times.

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LOL try getting it 7 out of 5 times like me.

I guess that means we should lynch you first next mafia

Well duh, I'm clearly always Mafia! There are avatars and saved shouts to prove it!!

I have to say I'm surprised that you didn't lynch me sooner. The clues against me seemed quite obvious from the beginning, though I guess they're easier to spot when you know who they're aiming at

Hey now, I mentioned you as a suspect from Day 1 thanks to the Games clues. I know Jack did the same shortly after as well. I guess people just wanted concrete evidence (lololololololol) before joining me (or us?) in voting for you.