Your being "honest" is flirting a little with a certain clause in the SEN rules. Specifically that one part about "Being a dick."

Lets just look at my side of the story for a moment, eh? I'm not culted, I'm a townie. I cannot win unless the mafia, AND the cult are both eliminated, or severly outnumbered. What am I supposed to do Azreal? I had ties with DM, and, you took out the majority of Family B. That means my greatest threat is the cult, don't you think? Unfortunally for me, the Pardoner just so happened to be in good ties with the strongest cultist in the game at the time. DM tried hitting Roy night one, and knew you'd use the doctor to protect him on night two without a doubt after he'd been hit the first time unsuccessfully and moved away from targetting him, trying to find the cult leader.

I don't see how "mental retardation" has anything to do with my playstyle or logic, unless where you come from, thats how you say "Ho shit, he was right."

Ask Roy, I voiced my claims of you being Cult all through day 2, though unfortunally that was my downfall because the cult was already three strong on day 2. Sorry that I was trying to be a good sport and play the game.

I was only in the Cult as a means for Raitaki to prove his identity to me. I had no intention of allowing him to win, nor did I promise him such a thing. Our arrangement was "I'll let you live until all the Mafia are almost dead, and in exchange you tell me who you invite each night and confirm they are legitimate Townies."

Of course he accepted because it would give him the opportunity to win later, and he needed the Mafia dead anyways. Neither of us had any idea that we'd end up working together for a Cult victory.

From your perspective, you shouldn't have taken the first opportunity to save Mafia and betray the Town just because the Cult was out there somewhere. I knew who they were and had them under control. The Town had a guaranteed victory without your interference.

The real Town, the ones who didn't try to execute the Mayor the first chance they got, are the ones that ended up winning. Granted they had to join the Cult to do it, but it's only because the rest of the Town was imploding on itself by making the stupidest choices possible.

We all played that game, that's the point of my last post. And I might add, "good sport" is ambiguous for a game like Mafia. One of the major points of Mafia is to lie and backstab, and that's what the players do all the time. I had Azrael kill you, Lingie, because you were going to inhibit a Cult victory. Before I was culted, I told you my role and really was considering helping you instead (though I'm not sure what I could have changed as you were convinced Az wasn't the Boondock even though he was). My main reason for going back to Azrael was your tie to Riney, and the potential idea that you knew he was Mafia and wouldn't say anything. At that point, it made it much easier to see that a Cult victory was eminent so I should join to win. I assume that was a similar reason for Azrael to consider it.

I don't think anyone played this game poorly, really. I think throwing around "mental retardation" in a game about manipulation is a bit much. This is slowly becoming a flame war, and it better not turn to that.

Lingie knew Riney was Mafia, he admitted that he was only worried about Cult because he knew Mafia wouldn't hit him

As for the term "mental retardation," I thought it was appropriate since the Town would have won if so many of them hadn't been acting retarded. It's okay though, since those who acted against their own self-interest are the ones who lost. Things turned out like they should have.

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I don't know, but I'll chalk Roy saving you to "mental retardation", then.

Nah, he trusted me and won the game, that's the opposite of stupidity.

You're just one sad, sad man because you tried to betray me and it didn't work, and are still bitter at the end. Not sure why you're mad, you "lost" because of your own ineptitude.

You're right, he trusted you to his victory, not a town victory. There is a slight difference you can't see once your eyes get closed in the typical troll grin.

Betray you? I can't betray a cult that I'm not in. You were working for them the entire time, regardless of any other rationale you try to provide.

As always, you take the condescending, patronizing tone to a whole new level. You can't use my own statements against me, mostly because I am neither bitter, nor mad. Moreso, you just won't drop the part that your supporters are the only ones who "won". As if unquestioning, unflinching obedience to your goals provided them with the divine ability to come out on the winning side.

Oh, that's a nice statement. So your "only means of proving his [Raitaki's] identity" was that you let him cult you. You had no intention of him winning, yet he did. Doesn't that make you a loser? I'm glad I took the time to look on the 20th page.

Regardless,

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the game is over, right?

So why are you still arguing? He will never see anyone else's side, that's the thing. He's too right, don't you understand? We mere mortals can't possibly be as right as he is. That's why I'm done with this thread, be it viewing, posting, whatever. Please close it to avoid more attempted and failed trolling.

He would have gotten a Town victory if the other members of the Town would have allowed for it.


You betrayed the Town you were in through your ineptitude.


Factually wrong.


Plans changed when elements of the Town started trying as hard as they could to lose.

So let me get this straight. You're basically telling me that I shouldn't play the game, because I'm interfering.

I didn't know Mafia was the Azreal show. I believe we're all allowed to play the game.

I was never culted, nor was I spoken to about it. I fought for my side as dilligently as I could, for the desire of victory, because isn't that one of the points of the game? The other, is to have fun, which I'm not sure many people had any of. I don't mind a little trash talking, but in the spirit of mafia, not to wave an e-peen.

So, who was the real town? I saw that the cult won, not the town.

Right.


And you're allowed to lose when you play poorly.


The ones who cooperated to kill the Mafia and suppress the Cult, not the ones who conspired to kill the Mayor and suppress the Town.

Raitaki should thank you for forcing the real Townies to abandon ship and join the Cult with your oppressive, manipulative, self-destructive tactics.

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Stop arguing; it's a damn forum game. Granted, the setup and execution was not great (primarily due to the huge blind faith placed in Azrael and the difficulty of fakeclaiming due to the vast number of completely unique roles, but also due to mafia being split into two factions), but it's not worth getting pissy about.

Not to mention starting the game knowing 2 of the 6 Mafia right off the bat.

Also, azrael, you said that angel leaked me and cardinal's role. Care to explain? (This was in whisper forever ago)

I wanted you to admit to me that you were Mafia so I'd know for sure that Aristo was too, since his ties to you were my main reasoning against him. I ended up having Wing Zero jail him even though you wouldn't confess. In reality, AngelSpirit played a good game, he wouldn't even talk to me until after I'd successfully killed both you and Cardinal. He was also working behind-the-scenes during the election to try to get Roy elected so that I could be taken out.

Yup, sounds like this was a successful game after all.

And Azrael, don't kid yourself; we had basically agreed for the Cult to win a short time before the triple lynch day was over (or at least that was my understanding of it). It was the most interesting and entertaining route to take, in my opinion.

I don't see how my actions were considered to be poor now that you know what my original plan was. I saved Azrael because it best suited the path I decided to take.

I may have strayed from typical play by supporting the Cult before I was recruited, and I apologize if this ruined the experience for some of you. In all honesty, though, I could have told you all the role of every player before the second night completed, including the Cult Leader; would that have been more fun?

I don't think any part of that game was fun, minus the largest attempt I've ever seen to take down a mayor. After it failed miserably though, I knew it was over, and just walked away. It really did lose any desirability.

It was And I know that's when we decided to go for Cult victory, it was near the end of Day 2. That's what I was saying


The Cult always operates best by gaining early Town support through the promise of future invitation. It's political maneuvering at its best.

Honestly I'd be more inclined to blame the game rather than the players. I realize you guys are upset that Azrael had all the power and couldn't be beaten, but it isn't his fault that role claiming was difficult (whereas it was easier in other games) and it wasn't his fault that there was no need for clue interpretation or any of that aspect of the game. No offense to Inferno, but this is probably the weakest of all the Mafia games I've seen on SEN, and I think that was mainly because it was his first time hosting one. From the look of it, his next one will be better devised and balanced. Hopefully. We had 4 separate parties who had to duke it out to win, and with such a small amount of players participating, that seems overboard. Had it just been Town versus 1 Mafia faction, and perhaps the added threat of a Cult, then I'm betting this would have been more interesting. The was no balance in this game, and that made it less fun that usual. My favorite part of Mafia is guessing clues and forming small alliances blindly. In this one, it was easy to form the alliance with Azrael, and then continue that when it was clear that Town could not win. That, to me, was too easy, but it was not Azrael's fault.

I'm trying hard to take an objective approach to reading these posts, but it really does look like you all are taking this so personally. I don't think I've ever seen the mud-slinging this bad due to Mafia. I'm really tired of having to ignore all these back-and-forth reports from you guys and the whole argument seems to be very juvenile at this point. I'm not at all a fan of passive aggressive insults, and I'm about ready to start moderating them as "flaming." Its getting ridiculous.

I'm closing this now, even though I assume the fight will continue in the next thread or in the Shoutbox. Please leave posts in the next game's topic on-topic and relevant to that game rather than this one.