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Jul 28 2011, 11:43 pm
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Jul 28 2011, 11:43 pm

Excalibur Post #1

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Sup Assist forum.

Alright, I'm making a map in which powerups and enemies need to be randomly distributed around a certain area of the map.

Power Up Requirements:
A certain number of them need to exist at any given time, IE if there are 4 of powerup A, and 3 are picked up, another one will spawn somewhere.
Their position will be random, and their frequency will be determined by how rare of an item they are. So although powerup A will exist in up to 4 places at any time, powerup B is more rare and will only exist in 2.
There are 6 powerups total.

Enemy Requirements:
After a certain amount of game-time has passed, enemies will spawn. The length of game time determines which of them and how many of them will be spawned. So in the first five minutes one or two minor enemies are spawned with there being multiple big baddys by thirty minutes in.
There are lets say five types of enemies, in three tiers.

Problem: I have no idea how to make all these things happen correctly and I cannot for the life of me understand DCs or grids.

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Jul 29 2011, 12:53 am

Roy Post #2

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

You'll probably have to learn death counters and grids; the wikis describe them pretty well in layman's terms, and they shouldn't be concepts that are unattainable by someone such as yourself. I wrote a tutorial on basic grids myself a long time ago, which you may find helpful. Here's an excerpt for static grids:

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Static Gridding

This was the first type of gridding I learned how to do, and it has proven to be useful for saving and reusing locations and making things look more complicated than they really are.

First off, static gridding uses burrowed units, hence the word "static;" they're there, on the ground, a fixed area.

Let's start with a 2x2 sized grid, using Zerg Lurkers. With this, we are going to create a bound-type obstacle. For simplicity, let's just make the bounding area like you would see on Bound Defense 2.

Now place your units. The order of placement does in fact matter. There have been many rumors and theories about how SC reads units in order. Here is my theory, which, to this day, has proven to be true:

Starcraft reads from left to right, meaning that the unit furthest to the left is read first, and the unit furthest to the right is read last. So, if you had a preserved trigger killing "1" marine, the marine furthest to the left would be chosen to die first, and the marine on the right would be the last one chosen to die.
But what if the units are perfectly vertical from each other? Well, then it's a little more complicated. For gridding, all you need to know is this: The first unit placed will be the last unit to be chosen, and vice versa. So if you place the lurkers from the top left to mid left to bottom left, the lurker at the bottom would be chosen first, and the lurker at the top will be chosen last.

I like to place them from top to bottom, so that they are chosen from bottom to top. Place your lurkers in your desired order.

(On a side note: I prefer to use player 9 when placing static units. This is because burrowed units owned by players 9-11 don't show on replays, and unlike computer players, they have no AI that interferes with the gridding process, such as unburrowing.)

I labeled them based on the order I placed them. If you're confused about order placement, well, either copy my example or do your own and see what happens

There, now you have nine lurkers. Time to place the locations.

There, that's all you need. You can name them whatever you want, obviously, but you only need those two locations for the whole bound area.

--- Make sure you've researched burrowing for player 9! If you can't select tech abilities for players 9-12, either switch to SCMD2 or check "Researched by default"

Time for triggers. Of course, get some hyper triggers and whatever else you must have. Create these triggers:

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- Player 8 has suffered at least 1 death of Uraj Crystal
Actions:
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Subtract 1 for Uraj Crystal
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Death Counter (So I don't have to use waits)"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Player 9 brings at least 1 Zerg Lurker to "B Grid Zone"
- Player 8 has suffered at most 0 deaths of Uraj Crystal
Actions:
- Center location "B Gridder" on Zerg Lurker owned by Player 9 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Protoss Arbiter at "B Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Protoss Arbiter at "B Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "B Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Zerg Lurker owned by Player 9 at "B Gridder" to Player 10
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Set to 3 for Uraj Crystal
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Create Explosions"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Player 9 brings at most 0 Zerg Lurker to "B Grid Zone"
Actions:
- Give All Zerg Lurker owned by Player 10 at "B Grid Zone" to Player 9
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Loop"

There we are. If you placed your lurkers just like I had placed mine, here is what the final result should look like:

Tada! That's the simplest form of static gridding.

Grid Example Map 1.scx

Alright, if you're still not comfortable with static gridding, I'll show you another trick it has up its sleeve. Let's start a new map. Create a 10x6 tile area on the map and place burrowed, oh, let's say Infested Terrans at 1x1 tile intervals. (Note: If you're using a computer player for the gridding process, I would recommend using lurkers or spider mines.)

Again, I placed mine from top to bottom, but for this, it isn't really important what order you place them in.

Now place your locations. For this technique, we need to use a total of four locations.

BM GridZone and BM Gridder are familiar. The two new locations "BM Vertical" and "BM Horizontal" are used for creating a "Bomberman" type game. Be sure that they are at least twice as long as the actual playing area. For convenience, I cut off their actual length in the screenshot.

Now it's time to make the triggers.

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- Player 8 has suffered at least 1 death of Terran Missile Turret
Actions:
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Subtract 1 for Terran Missile Turret
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Death Counter"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Player 9 brings at least 1 Infested Terran to "BM Grid Zone"
- Player 8 has suffered exactly 0 deaths of Terran Medic
- Player 8 has suffered at most 0 deaths of Terran Missile Turret
Actions:
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 9 at "B Grid Zone"
- Center location "BM Horizontal" on Infested Terran owned by Player 9 at "B Gridder"
- Center location "BM Vertical" on Infested Terran owned by Player 9 at "B Gridder"
- Give All Infested Terran owned by All Players at "BM Horizontal" to Player 11
- Give All Infested Terran owned by All Players at "BM Vertical" to Player 11
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8 HALLUCINATED
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Set to 1 for Terran Medic
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Set to 15 for Terran Missile Turret
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Show Example"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Player 8 has suffered exactly 1 deaths of Terran Medic
- Player 8 has suffered at most 0 deaths of Terran Missile Turret
Actions:
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Set to 2 for Terran Medic
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Create Explosions 1"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Player 8 has suffered exactly 1 deaths of Terran Medic
- Player 8 has suffered at most 0 deaths of Terran Missile Turret
Actions:
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Center location "BM Gridder" on Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "B Grid Zone"
- Create 1 Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all Zerg Scourge at "BM Gridder" for player 8
- Kill all [men] at "BM Gridder" for Force 1
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 11 at "BM Gridder" to Player 10
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Set to 0 for Terran Medic
- Modify Deaths for Player 8: Set to 15 for Terran Missile Turret
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Create Explosions 2"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Switch 1 is cleared
- Switch 2 is cleared
- Player 9 brings at least 1 Infested Terran to "BM GridZone"
Actions:
- Randomize Switch 1
- Randomize Switch 2
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Randomize 1"

Players:

- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Switch 1 is set
- Switch 2 is cleared
- Player 9 brings at least 1 Infested Terran to "BM GridZone"
Actions:
- Randomize Switch 1
- Randomize Switch 2
- Give 1 Infested Terran owned by Player 9 at "BM GridZone" to Player 10
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Randomize 2"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Switch 1 is cleared
- Switch 2 is set
- Player 9 brings at least 1 Infested Terran to "BM GridZone"
Actions:
- Randomize Switch 1
- Randomize Switch 2
- Give 2 Infested Terran owned by Player 9 at "BM GridZone" to Player 10
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Randomize 3"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Switch 1 is set
- Switch 2 is set
- Player 9 brings at least 1 Infested Terran to "BM GridZone"
Actions:
- Randomize Switch 1
- Randomize Switch 2
- Give 3 Infested Terran owned by Player 9 at "BM GridZone" to Player 10
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Randomize 4"

Players:
- Player 8 (or your choice)
Conditions:
- (Your choice of activation condition, if any)
- Player 9 brings at most 0 Infested Terran to "B Grid Zone"
Actions:
- Give All Infested Terran owned by Player 10 at "B Grid Zone" to Player 9
- Preserve Trigger
- Comment "Loop"

Damn, that's a lot of actions. But if you look at it, it's just the same five actions copied 12 times in the "Create Explosions 1" trigger, and 3 times in the "Create Explosions 2" trigger. It's really not that much work, and the effect is well worth it.

Okay, let's go over this. I am using two death counters, Terran Medic and Terran Missile Turret. The Missile Turret is used as waits, while the Medic is used to control trigger sequence.

Why did I give to player 11? Well, I have to make SC able to recognize the Infesteds without it being interrupted by the giving triggers between Players 9 and 10.

At the same time it gives the Infested Terrans to player 11, the trigger creates a hallucinated death at the point of intersection (BM Gridder).

When the death counter runs out, "Create Explosions 1" triggers and centers, creates, and kills over 12 Infested Terrans at the same time. But why only 12 when we need 15?

Why do we even need 15? Well, if you pick any point on the grid, your Horizontal location covers 10 units, and your Vertical location covers 6 units. They intersect over 1 unit, so it's basic math. 10 + 6 - 1 = 15

"Create Explosions 2" is directly below "Create Explosions 1" and its conditions are met as soon as its predecessor is finished, so it fires off, oddly enough, at the exact same time. There, now you have 15 explosions.

That's all there is to it. So why are there four "Randomize" triggers? Well, if you just had "give 1" and preserve, the pattern would become predictable. I used two switches to randomize how many Infested Terrans to give to Player 10 in a single trigger loop, ranging from 0 to 3. If you have a larger area, you can increase the range, but for this size, 0 to 3 works well.

That's it, you've just stolen my Dash 6 minigame! The finished product should look like this:

Grid Example Map 2.scx

Well, that should do it. Static grids aren't too complicated, and you can have fun with them.

If you have the units to spare, static grids are not too complicated to implement and give a pseudo-random placement effect. Of course, if you want something with more outcomes or you cannot afford placing all those units, there are more complex solutions for creating a unit at a random location on a map. The conversation in the shoutbox about using junkyard observers could be combined with a static grid system to increase the randomness of the spawns. You can create an observer at a random static grid point and let it wander a little before placing the power-up.

As far as enemies spawning, the best method would be to use death counters. You could combine this with Elapsed Time to determine which units should spawn. Think of using a death counter like you would use the countdown timer: when it hits 0, you spawn units and set it to a particular number to count down from again. To set this up, always have a trigger subtracting 1 from the death counter (this makes it count down like the countdown timer does automatically). Then, after spawning units, set it to a number. Setting to 12 deaths is close to one second, so if you wanted the enemies to spawn every 20 seconds, the number would be 20*12 = 240.

Hope this helps.

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Jul 29 2011, 6:25 am

rockz Post #3

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I think you should have units to spare, so I'll go into a bit more detail.

Preplace 32, 64, or 128 burrowed zerg units. This is going to be the static "random" grid. it's not really a grid, but 32-128 locations at which units can spawn.

Randomize a switch. If it's on, add 1 to a DC "cantina". Re-randomize it. This time, add 2 if it's on. Repeat the process, doubling the amount each time until you have added 16, 32, or 64, depending on the amount you chose. This will create a random number from 0-31, 63, or 127, depending on the number you chose. I would suggest you use as the conditions of all these triggers to be Deaths of "cave". That way, if you ever want to run the trigger, set deaths of "cave" to 1, and it will run.

Next up is binary countoffs. You've already started with the randomized DC "cantina" value. Subtract out 64 from the DC "cantina", then give 64 of the burrowed zerg units to a different player, like from player 9 to player 10. Repeat for 32, 16, 8, etc...
Now, center location on the burrowed zerg unit owned by player 9. This is the random location which you will create stuff at. Make sure you subtract 1 deaths of "cave" now that the randomization is done, and give all burrowed units back to player 9. The DC "cantina" is actually a useless step. If you're not using it for anything else, you can safely give away the units in the trigger after you randomize the switches if you want.

To decide which powerups will be created requires a few things. First, I assume you want a cooldown on the items so that they can only spawn every so often, up to a maximum. That's not hard actually. All you have to do is set a DC for each powerup. Roy has elaborated on this. Whenever the DC reaches 0, add 1 to the "cave" DC so the randomized location occurs again, then create a powerup at the location whenever the DC is 0 as well. In the create trigger, reset the DC timer. To add a "maximum" all you need to do is add a "bring/command at most X" condition. Make a separate trigger for the condition "bring/command exactly 0" so that whenever there are no powerups of a type left, spawn another one somewhere else.

Enemies would spawn in the same way. You just need the "elapsed time" condition, or use the countdown timer. Someone can make the triggers in a trigger format if you're hopelessly lost.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 29 2011, 6:30 am by rockz.

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Jul 29 2011, 12:50 pm

Excalibur Post #4

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Yeah, rockz, I don't understand that system at all.

I think I may just have pre-placed spawn spots and use semi-randomization since I can actually understand it.

Current system:
15 spawn points. 6 power ups. Cycle deaths of cantina from 1-6. 3 powerups will only spawn at even numbered locations, half at odd.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 29 2011, 1:08 pm by Excalibur.

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Jul 29 2011, 3:03 pm ubermctastic Post #5

You want them randomly distributed right?
I just made this yesterday out of complete boredom.
This system randomly distributes units to 64 locations.

#1 randomize necesarry ammount of switches.

#2 spawn unit based on switches at outside location (only if it does not exceed limit of that unit)

#3 randomize switches again

#4 send unit to location based on switch (only if there isn't anything at that location already.

#5 kill unit at the outside location ( encase the spot was already taken.

If you are doing this with burrowed units, just cut out #3 - #5 and make #2 check if theres something there already before it spawns.
Have the location constantly cycling through the burrowed units.

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Jul 29 2011, 5:19 pm

rockz Post #6

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Well I can't see K_A's on this computer so I may as well explain.

This trigger set randomizes the location

These triggers set up the timers to spawn the powerups and set up new powerups to be created when there are none.

Does this help, or is it still confusing? There's actually a ton of ways to do this, so do whatever works for you.

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Jul 29 2011, 5:48 pm

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for the life of me understand DCs

don't think of them as deaths at all, think of them as variables that can be positive integers

you can modify them via subtraction, addition, and set deaths, so they are incredibly useful

apparently they can be negative when you add negative values rather than subtract anything

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or grids

when you create 9 muta's at a location they'll show up in this formation

X X X
X X X
X X X

If you were to center a location on a muta, it would always center on the same muta

then if you remove that muta you can center again, and it will center on the next one

since the pattern of which muta the location gets centered on is always the same, you can use this to move locations to precise places in the grid

always remove units, never kill them

some very nice illistrations here...

earlier rockz mentioned static grids, these are simliar; except you don't create or remove the units, insted you change which player owns pre-placed units, these are also useful b/c you can spawn units precisly where you mean too based on a variable (death counter) making them much more useful than placing mass locations for randomization.

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