And that sums it up.

Nobody is following you. 2-letter channels are common. People joining and leaving is a normal occurance in both channels and games.
If you think otherwise then I suggest you seek a psychiatrist.

You ignored my suggestion about change of gateway.

The same guy joins and leaves my games for 7 games in a row, even if I were to host completely unrelated maps. I don't go around asking others for their nosy opinions.

Because of someone's whim caused by a rainy weather or bad traffic I can't talk the other half other story anyways. I don't see a point in responding to your sort.

I am 100% certain that no one is stalking or targeting you. Heck, if someone really wanted to harass you and they have your IP (and thus geographical location from IP2Geo), they can do far worse things than joining and leaving a room you made on Battle.net.

Everything you've said thus far supports the null hypothesis that your fears are unfounded. Just play the game and don't worry about it.

Maybe he just really wants to play your game, but someone else in the lobby has hosthack and doesn't like him. Maybe your perception on who's hacking is skewed. Have you tried talking to the guy who keeps joining?

There's always a point in responding to a legitimate argument. Heinermann's reasoning is both logical and sound. 2-letter channels are common (depending on which channel you're in, some other people might come in because it used to be a hangout channel or where people would go if their clan channel expired). If I host one game without having two or three people join and leave doesn't happen, I would be worried. If you follow up on some of these, it usually turns out to be a misclick, they didn't want to wait for the DL, or it said the host left (aka hosthack).

This discussion is going in circles. You guys habitually forget the other 5/6th of the story, isolate just the 1/6th of it, say "hey this is impossible," and I bring up the other 2/6th that's related, and then you move onto the next 1/6th of the story, and thus the circle.

And there are evidences that you try to play down and provide explanations stretching arguments in the process, saying "the guys who broke into the hotel room and opened up the laptops of Indonesian delegates were not in fact spy agents! no to think that would be paranoid! it's quite possible that they were occupants of the room in the floor above who accidentally walked into the room and took the laptops thinking they were theirs, and then when they realized the laptops weren't theirs they tried to return it to the owners."

(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/asia/22korea.html)

Okay 2 letter channels are common. Still I have a right to suspect further when I experienced queer things staying in public channels, such as being disconnected and isolated with 3~4 users with names like "illhaku4life" "death".

Yes maybe he wants to play 5 completely unrelated games just because I hosted it. Awesome. And he's the only person on entire bnet to want to play it. No one else.

Also I simply think of the whole issue as my triumph over the hacker who pledged to hack me for life but failed. Once I started fixing sc and my computer and got everything back to working order he couldn't do anything beyond preventing others from joining games that I host. He called me a "cheater" and left because I fixed the problems caused by his hacking. The dialogue between him and me already exists. It verifies the hacker exists, then to respond is not paranoia but simply staying within the dialogue, and the story ends with my winning over the hacker, who asked me to stop playing sc. The end.

Disputing any part of this doesn't change the outcome of the story. I do what I do. Sc works fine ( no problems beyond hosting). I don't, then sc doesn't.

And I do play other non-blizzard games. I just don't have these problems with other games because there I don't make maps and I don't host my own maps.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Apr 10 2011, 9:08 pm by SiberianTiger.

You should take a chill pill and play a non-Blizzard game. Jesus you're paranoid.

SiberianTiger is the king of trolls if he is trolling.

"I couldn't connect to bnet."
"Jesus is paranoid."

"I joined a bnet with 2000 users and 3 games being played"
"Jesus is paranoid."

"I kept getting disconnected while staying in public lobby."
"That's a common occurrence. It's caused by poor connection due to bad cyber weather and foggy disturbances in the fiber optic network. And by the way, you're paranoid."

"Someone came to me and went on a 30 minute rant on how much he hates me and that he will hack me for life."
"You're paranoid AND a troll!!"

"I applied these fixes. I never had a trouble afterwards."
"You're paranoid because your method works even though it's not supposed to."

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Apr 10 2011, 9:23 pm by SiberianTiger.

You're right, you're not paranoid. Actually everyone here knows what's happening except for you.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 10 2011, 10:33 pm by DevliN. Reason: Removed "nub"

I've actually had that happen, where some idiot decides he doesn't like me and hacks me for a few games. Usually an account swap or something stops them, or I'll just out-wait them. The paranoid part is where you seem to think that it's the same person every time, that you extrapolate on normal pubbie behavior (quickly leaving games) to mean they are doing impractical shit like a "map blacklist". I mean fuck, do you think anyone gives a shit about you that much? The world doesn't revolve around you.

I would much prefer it that way but that's apparently not the case when the hacker pledged to stalk me 4 life in a 30 minute rant & I just can't host.

I don't have to assume it's the same person if it happens few times a year maybe. Okay I will tolerate up to 100 cases a year . Beyond that I will consider it hacking due to consistent efforts by the same guy. Fair?

AND I will clearly notice the difference if I am able to host on Asia server this summer. He won't be able to hack me there due to lag and there is no public lobby on asia server anyways.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Apr 10 2011, 10:10 pm by SiberianTiger.

Nah, he sounds serious. Wait...
Okay, maybe.

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I don't know why someone would dedicate that much time for you, though, and it doesn't mean every "attack" is from this one person; probably 30-40% of players are using hacks or third party programs on StarCraft at this point.

You should start doing some screenshots and videos to show this. Most (if not all) people in here are skeptics, and I, for one, am very intrigued by your situation; if I could observe it in-action, it would be quite fascinating.

Preferably I'd like to see a video of you encountering this hacker fellow. If you don't take the proper precautions, it should happen frequently, correct? Just use a screen capturing program and prove your experience. Some people here will never be satisfied no matter what you present to them, but I would be more inclined to believe you.

How would he know what server you're on?

Oh FFS let's not start this again. We've already closed 3 threads because of this dumb argument. We could have everyone on the site inform Siberian of how incorrect he is, and he still wont believe it. There's no point in arguing with him.

Actually Roy piqued my curiosity. I'd like to see a video from tiger.

During his 30 minute rant he told me how his "minions" would come get me and it wouldn't matter which server I was on. He was right. It didn't matter if I switched between us east , us west , europe or even iccup because i couldn't host effectively. But I think I am safest where I have smallest latency, which is US east. I am assuming he can't reach me on asia server because of high latency.

on second thought, I think I am not going to make a video unless there's a new problem that arises that I haven't solved. There's no point in getting myself vulnerable again.

That doesn't make sense. Latency is just the response time of the server. It would do absolutely noth-
Okay.

Oh, please do make a video. It would be enlightening and help with speculation and understanding.


Yeah, I just quoted a post after this one. Problem?

Honestly, at this point, *I* feel like logging on to battle.net and following him around just to mess with his head.

So I just read this entire thread to figure out what the fuck is going on, all because I was very curious as to why Moose made this post.

Conclusion: SiberianTiger is hilarious and I am amused.

I lot of discussion happened a while ago, but I'll just pitch in the little I know: Since nobody has the BW source code, the most that I know anyone can really do is mess with the packets received and sent from battle.net. I actually thought this was pure scare tactics until that Monstrous guy posted with a believable explanation.

For some reason your client would send a hash of your CDKey over battle.net to where it was actually accessible by anyone within the same game as you. I think I heard someone say for spawn verification, or client authentication? Who knows, but all one would need to do modify their outgoing packet to something else. If the hash is used for validation of some sort, I suppose you could use a "dummy" cd-key so that the validation passes instead of your own. I'm guessing anything that the old installer would pass as a valid key would work (I suspect that clients are using this for validation, as if it was server-side then the packet shouldn't be accessible by any players except the one sending it).

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 11 2011, 10:56 am by NudeRaider. Reason: uh don't spread CD-Keys please

Correct, you can spoof the field used to create/join games using a random number.
But I highly doubt any "stalkers" actually follow people using this information, or even know about it.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Apr 14 2011, 10:03 am by NudeRaider. Reason: sry gotta draw the line somewhere...

if I remember correctly, Frost > You doesn't work on me. doesn't crash my sc. It used to. Not anymore. Guess why... hmmm???

Yes I can definitely make a video of this.