Yeah, Warden was designed to drop players using hacks. It generally just ended up dropping everyone, though. Warden actually encouraged hacking because running the latest version of Oblivion or whatever was out there would circumvent Warden from dropping you.

warden is back. crashing nerds 24/7 VIRGINS !!! op evil@uswest

Hahahahahahaha oh wow that's good. Thanks for the funnies again inf.

I still think it must be a blacklisting program based on bots. Several times I tried hosting for a whole day, only to observe the same pattern of 2~3 players coming and leaving, followed by long intervals of absence, even continuing into late at night.

Once I tried switching between different maps, and actually that seemed to be more effective for a while. Someone came in telling me to "stop" (what?) so I more eagerly kept hosting different maps. I made something like 40 different versions of the map I was testing with different names. I think that worked for maybe couple of times until it stopped working.

And when I became suspicious people downloading and leaving, I started booting them. As long as I booted them, they continued to join back, asking to just let them dl then allow them to leave, or if they didn't I could notice the dl numbers of the last who joined act funny before leaving, as if they did something to close access to the game.

It's not that difficult of a system to devise. A bot joins, downloads the map, then the program can identify the map. Changing the name won't help (i.e. |= 0.o + I\/I En Fre I\I 2 V ) Or if I prevent the map from being downloaded, the bot activates some sort of host lat hack and leaves.

This continues to happen whether I use a different CD key (even a friend's.... that is if I were to host my maps) different IP different game name or different user name.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 9 2011, 12:41 am by cosmicagent.

Those were the days.

This is paranoia.
You have supplied no reasoning as to why you were suspicious.
Define "act funny"
I've asked that I could rejoin and dl a map after I was booted before, doesn't mean anything.

Fact of the matter is, people don't like to play games they are unfamiliar with. I can prove this with you if you want to. Wanna play some games online together sometime? We'll play something.

After awhile, on starcraft, games that are left open seem to stop being published on the list of games to join.

On top of ALL of this, why would someone want to do this to you?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 9 2011, 2:07 am by TiKels.

They're out to him, man.

I'd disagree. I didn't come up with the suspicions initially but rather observed them.

For example, if I were to rm, I used to either ask the people to leave so I can rm or boot them because in previous experience rmming with people still in game seemed to make me vulnerabe to certain type of host hack.

Anyways my natural response to a slow inflow of traffic was to boot people then rm. And sometimes I would do this repeatedy with a faster tempo. My booting people naturally evolved from this.

The difference I observed was this. If I waited, no one joined. But if from the beginning I booted users they'd keep joining again and again, but never a ful house.

Of course in the beginning I simply booted users with familar names and suspicious ones like "shadowtemplar" "ilhaku4life," but just in case they'd come back with other names I'd boot others as well, depending on my mood and intuition. I've developed a sense of distaste for unusually boring and unenthusiastic names that would probably used to name bots.

cosmicagent, after doing some digging I've found out on my own that you are completely right. You are being attacked by a disciple of Frost known as Candlejack. He's just as cruel, but twice as smart. I found out about him recently after beating him fair and sqaure in a game of STARCRAFT 2 and being DROPPED. I have no idea he dro

"I have no idea he dro " no idea why he dropped? how?
I'm not sure if you wrote that as sarcasm. Where did you do some digging? Any urls?

I actually won't bother to find who these hackers are. I am only concerned so far as knowing the effects of their doing and how to counter them and what the limitations of my methods are.

Unless something was changed recently, you can't remake a game with people in the old one anyway.

Sry guys for this mass deletion, but I wasn't sure how to deal with this whole mess. Now I've put all the posts into another topic where it's appropriate and not off-topic to pursue SiberianTiger's theories.

happy discussing

Not going to lie, this was all some pretty funny reading. The fact of the matter is I haven't been on SC for a couple months now, been too busy, and I just want to move on. Anything you've seen pretty much this year wasn't me, and if you see the entire gateway being renamed its Jiggie using my hack.

As for your theories about map names being targeted... extremely possible, and I even know how to do it. Just never had the time to make the bot to watch those kinds of statistics. I have all the code I used, still, anyone is free to work on it if they wish, I just never finished it and still don't have the time.

Oh, and also just listen to whatever Heinermann says... He's the only one here who knows anything about anything, but a few things I've seen...

Yeah, uhh... I don't change registry keys. Also, there isn't anything that DOES change registry keys. No idea where the fuck you get that one from.
It's *possible* to embed a small virus, but it's an extremely complicated process that I never felt like following through with. To be honest, even if I weren't lazy I wouldn't have done it. Ask heinermann if you don't believe me, we had discussions on that and he can vouch that I never planned to use it. I will give you a hint though: When the Blizzard video plays is a simplified version of it. The Blizzard video playing merely executes code, whereas to send a virus I'd have to calculate it's address its being stored at and that's just a pain, then there's the issue if I don't do some really complicated shit there's only about 200 bytes to work with.
As for CDKey theft... why are you people still discussing that? I released the information on how to do it a long time ago.

Edit again: Rereading this I see the grammar is bad and the organization is terrible, but I don't feel like fixing it... meh

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Mar 27 2011, 11:02 pm by Frost.

You can rename..... the gateway....

I'm not reading a novel. Keep your points short.
Users joining, doing nothing, leaving: Not bots. This is normal behaviour on Battle.net.

I noticed that "switching channels immediately as you log on" was mentioned.
It doesn't matter because Battle.net sends the join/leave notifications to all users in the channel. It's not something requested. So even if you're in the channel for 1ms, the events for joining/leaving notifies all other users.

As far as I know the only major user-logging bot is PingGnome and one other, but they don't join games, and they don't do anything really. The only purpose a bot would have to join a game is to download a map it doesn't already have or to spam advertisements which I've never seen before.

BTW did you know Koreans play on both U.S. East and U.S. West? Users are always on 24/7, even during the night.

EDIT: Oh yeah, there's no way you can be "stalked" on an anonymous playground provided you've remained anonymous. Change your name, change your friends, change your IP, change your CDKey and bam nobody can know who you were.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 3 2011, 3:21 am by Heinermann.

Unfortunately changing IP and CD-Key isn't possible for everyone and changing name and friends is often not desired.

There used to be a bot called "rion.org" if I remember well (The website is now sc-maps.com) and would host joinable games (And start after a set amount of time).

This is true in almost all cases, unless a) you opened firewall and port to host and even if a didn't matter b) you hosted a blacklisted map.

I can't host my maps. Changing IP doesn't help. Same for different computer, cd key, etc. as I've said before.

How would opening a firewall and port affect your anonymity? With everything else changed, they still wouldn't know you're the same person.

I don't know. There can be multiple things going on such as redirecting gateway to download some malware etc.

I can host a map, a guy joins then leaves. I exit bnet, then I host again under different name, and mebe a different map. Same guy joins then leaves. And other times it's a different guy, but who knows maybe it's a spoof.

And as I've said before there are times when the guy talks to me, pledging to hack me for life, etc. How would he know he was talking to the right person?

Also there were times when having joined an op two-letter channel anonymously I was followed by someone else with bizarre names. (I think it happened 3 times) I make sure I join a private channel with 3 letters or more.

None of this stuff happens when I am not hosting AND taking precautious measures.