I'm pretty sure they don't use MSN in jail.

so he payed the 500k fine?

I think you're mixing up Frost and Zynastor.

So which one's in jail?

Zynastor was named in the suit by Blizzard. I'm not sure if he's in jail or just owes a massive amount of money to Blizzard in "damages."

Lmfao, Blizzard are on the case of the crashed on B.net 1 ?

This happened a while ago, and perhaps it only recently went to court or was leaked. They went after WoW-Glider two years before it actually went to court, so that's probably the same with this one.

So much for that rumour. Also, Zynastor is also free and happy, as far as I know. The one who had issues with Blizzard was Perma, and he's doing fine now somehow.

Right, hence why I said people were mixing up Frost and Zynastor, probably because "Permaphrost" was named in the suit.

Also, http://www.gamespot.com/news/6282171.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1

Perma probably got nailed because most of his hacks were sold rather than just handed out, and Blizz from what I hear had a hard time actually getting Warden to detect his shit. So since they couldn't actually catch his hack in action, they figured they'd just stop him and be done with it.

Just really read that bolded part for the first time. If Zynastor lives in the U.S., he has no idea just how close he came to death.

IIRC, and I may or may not, Zyn is Australian and lives there.

Hehehe, I was so completely unaware of the ridiculousness that goes on in B.net.

Where's the lov- Oh yea.... it's the internet....

Isn't this double standard? From my experience, your sort set people up by either antagonizing them or testing whether they will follow your warning or recommendation and if they "defy" throw in the punishment. Being "respectful" is not the same as being manipulatable or tolerant.

I strongly suspect it's you or one of your clients who is stalking me on both SC1 bnet and SC2 bnet. I've complained in forums before, but I was alone. Apparently people have become aware of this problem only recently. (http://www.staredit.net/topic/12009/) (http://www.staredit.net/topic/12924/)

In sc1, I am unable to host. What happens is this: 2 bots join (able to come under control of hacker anytime). 1 bot downloads the map. Once the map is downloaded, I suppose it is entered into a blacklisting program, preventing people from joining it again. If I boot the bot downloading the map by open/close slot, the other bot prevents people from joining and leaves. Regardless, after leaving my game, these bots join another game filled with bots, usually rpg no one plays, starts game, and deactivates, so the bot would look like a real player. All this is automated. If I try to follow the bot to the game, I get booted or disconnected.

Frequently the bots insist on going in rude manner like spaming "go.. go.. go... go. go. go.." They set me up, recommending a 3-player or 4-player/2v2 game. If I don’t follow the suggestion, they who are ever so virtuous play god and let me face the consequence of disobeying, which is that one by one bots leave, the game becomes empty, and no one else joins, even if I were to wait 5+ minutes (after 10 minutes or so, a bot joins either to refresh game on blacklist or disconnect me from bnet). If I were to wait for dl and start, it would be pointless because I’d allow the bots to dl the map, allowing its data to enter blacklist program, and the bots are either controlled by one person putting the effort to create the illusion of several players or automated by AI (usually for simpler maps)

I can boot but not ban players from my games because if I do they can use it against me, so I can’t host and bots don’t even need to appear. Chatting also makes me vulnerable. There’s also a way for them to disconnect me from bnet whenever, but I forgot what I’d need to do to trigger that.

All this is not without my having figured out how to respond (http://www.staredit.net/topic/12924/), but I’m still not satisfied because I can’t host my maps. The “pros” want to decide what maps are allowed to be played on bnet. They usually like maps with exploitable cheats or imbalances & want to defend/justify them & call others who don’t know about them noobs. So they hate it when another map that’s fair and balanced comes around and serves as a direct litmus test contrasting and critiquing the faults and flaws of their favorite maps. This is why the same maps that are like 2 years old are still being played. Sometimes they’re played just to make a point about their popularity and the fact that they’re the best maps ever (yea!). They’ve put themselves in this situation because they blacklisted other maps they didn’t like, so only maps that are left are their fave old maps. Why play old maps, if they’re old? If they don’t like other new maps, they shouldn’t touch them rather than preventing others from playing them. (Indeed they’re a snobby bunch that like rubbing their nose on everyone else’s business…)

In Sc2, I kept the same username as I did in sc1. So the same sort (I keep seeing wolf and eric, frost, etc. as well as killer2121’s fave name words like dark, assassin, etc.) decided to harass me so everytime I join a custom game, a bot joins and causes any trouble it wishes as it were appropriate for that day’s mood and weather. It can cause a uber long wait screen, uber lagginess, or simply leave game when it starts (denying a full-house game). They tried to give me impression it’s due to some fault by Blizzard that always someone has to leave game, but I knew something was off so I started leaving at last minute before full-house and joining again, then leaving last minute, and joining again, enough times. Sometimes I saw bots keep recycling (cuz they ran out of bots) and complaining why I keep leaving, although I try leaving before full house so they should have no problem staying in their games… Surely enough when I’ve managed to fend off the bots, nothing went wrong. People played better (maybe cuz they were not bots… maybe im wrong on this) or at least no lag, no one leaving ,etc.

I’m not sure why they’d try to harass me on sc2. I haven’t even made any custom maps on sc2 that would allow them to make up any good reasons to stalk me. I think it has to do with the fact that I kept my user name from sc1. Someone (probably killer2121) made a huge angry and terrifyingly unsettling fuss about me stop using my user name cuz it had a clan initial that was disbanded. Again this is another example of his sort setting me up with a request and showing that there is consequences when I don’t follow through. Whatever. Im going to keep my username for SC3, SC4, ad infinitum.

So they (probably you too) are **ally retarded. They already made up their minds about who they want to attack. So if you’re the target it doesn’t matter what you do. They will squeeze their brains out to make up a good reason to be offended, set you up for a test, and deal the punitive card of consequence. Oh they should be feared! (“respect” my ***) Cuz they’re backed by consequence… like natural disaster.

Frost and his bunch try to portray themselves as cool-headed and cool bunch who do not waste time going after others. But in my experience that wasn’t true. They had to continually track me and gather information for almost a year to prepare their hacks. Now they probably have my IP address down and also my CD key (different IP address doesn’t help). They tried to friend me and ask where I live, etc. (for IP address) and ask me to join channels and type away to my heart’s content (as mentioned previously, chatting makes me vulnerable… not sure how) etc… That way, when they “test” me, and I continued to defy, they would be in the position to up the ante with worse consequences/hacks, so they’d always have the last card and the last hit.

The fact that they hack is proof of their immaturity. They try to impose on everyone this retarded notion that “if you don’t hack” (back) and respect everyone then you should be fine. They’re in no position to say that when they’re the hackers. Just in case you hit back, they’ve prepped bigger arsenals, so they always can hit back with something bigger, up the ante, and have the last hit. The most revealing point is that if you were to simple equip yourself with ANTIHACK they'd hack you back more severely (i.e. rather than dropping, they'd crash sc). Yea rite everyone don't hack and respect othres, and your cd key is safe. Then they tell you that you're the "immature" or "stupid" one (not them) cuz u keep defying them and dealing with their hacks but oviously this is a flawed reasoning hiding the fact that they made this arrangement, and they'd always find something else to blame.

So it’s funny to see how truth is so distorted in this forum. The hacker has become synonymous with virtue (preaching “respect”) and “cool”. The hacked victims are somehow stupid or disrespectful. But everyone should recognize the contradictory nature of these two positions/identities. The hacker always has the leisure to behave in cool-headed manner because he can hack. But in order to hack the hacker had to be snobbish, bullish, narrow-minded, opinionated and involved enough to want something to back his insults and bigotry.

Post has been edited 6 time(s), last time on Mar 7 2011, 7:55 am by cosmicagent.

"Hackers", or in this case, crackers and script kiddies, are not considered virtuous on this forum. True hackers (e.g. people who hack around with things to make them work better/do stuff they weren't supposed to, but not in a malicious way (generally )) are certainly looked up to, but not malicious crackers and idiot script kiddies.

And as for your problems; Blizzard won't fix them. If you can't play the game because of this, and refuse to get a new CD key and username or just a new username (assuming that even works to confuse stalkers nowadays) then go play something else. I doubt you'll have this problem in SC2.

Wow all the trouble you've got to go through just because you refuse to play by their rules. I respect your stubbornness but it also makes me afraid, because I'm the type that wouldn't bend either if put into your situation.

However, rest assured SEN staff does not respect malicious hackers and we don't tolerate hacks on SEN either. We do respect people like Heinermann though that help the mapping and modding community with their intensive knowledge of the inner workings of StarCraft.
Please don't translate the opinion of a few of our members to the whole forum.

wow? not malicious? afraid me?

wait wait. by what rules am i supposed to play by?

am i supposed to buy a new sc copy?

whatever you murmured did not do anything in diluting my strong condemnation of the malicious hackers, "true" or not ... don't make it a virtue to hack better

i don't think i will have to copy paste my post verbatim. just read it again.

If Heinermann is not behind blacklisting my maps, I'm fine with whatever he does. I don't care.

Heinermann is a respectable person. He would never take away the freedom of other persons.
His activities are more a concern of research. He never intended to harm any person I guess.

If people stalk you on sc2, you should be able to report them and Blizzard may do something.
Actually Blizzard is still caring about sc2 and hopefully didn't release a totally insecure battle.net2 system.

The only thing Blizzard could do for SC1 would be lawsuits, I guess. They won't fix their broken battle.net and won't ban cdkeys because they use keys from other persons.

You can still switch your gateway or play on ICCUP servers. There are less hackers on ICCUP, but I already saw one guy building pylons on unbuildable terrain.
The behavior of the "hackers" (they aren't hackers because they mostly know nothing about what they are actually doing)/script kiddies is unacceptable and immature like you stated.

Nobody should terrify another person for a longer period of time, no matter what happened before.
It's sad what people do to other people... Only kids can be so cruel.

Calm down dude, all I said was I respect you for standing for your principles even if it means going through so much trouble.
And your case makes me afraid of my own sc life since I can see myself also not bowing down before a hacker.

Also I think we do have to differentiate between 3 groups of "hackers".
a) There's the guys who reverse engineer a program to find exploits to abuse them to make hacks that give people powers they shouldn't have. (e.g. Frost)
b) There's guys who reverse engineer a program to find out how its code works and use this knowledge to improve mapping and modding techniques (e.g. Heinermann)
c) And then there's people that go to hacking sites to download a hacking program that gives them an edge over the other B.netters. (e.g. your average hacker noob/script kiddie/whatever crawling around the bnet)

Group a) I have some respect for because of their abilities, but I despise their morals.
Group b) I obviously have great respect for.
Group c) is the worst of the bunch since they have no merit AND bad morals.