Staredit Network > Forums > SC1 UMS Theory and Ideas > Topic: Bound: Waits or Death Counters?
Bound: Waits or Death Counters?
May 12 2010, 4:07 am
By: mapping4joy  
Polls
What method do you prefer when making a bound?
What method do you prefer when making a bound?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Death Counters 7
 
64%
Waits 4
 
37%
Please login to vote.
Poll has 11 votes. You can vote for at most 1 option(s).

May 12 2010, 4:07 am mapping4joy Post #1



I can't decide on whether I should use death counters or waits to create my bound. What are the pros and cons of each and what do you guys usually use?



None.

May 12 2010, 4:26 am ImagoDeo Post #2



I haven't specifically made a bound myself, but death counters are always the way to go.

Pretty much the biggest con to waits is that only one wait can run per player at a time. So if you have two triggers running that both use a wait, the actions of the second trigger that occur after the wait will be delayed for the combined times of both waits instead of just after the time of the wait in the trigger.

Not too complex if you read it enough times.



None.

May 12 2010, 4:52 am FoxWolf1 Post #3



Quote from ImagoDeo
I haven't specifically made a bound myself, but death counters are always the way to go.

Pretty much the biggest con to waits is that only one wait can run per player at a time. So if you have two triggers running that both use a wait, the actions of the second trigger that occur after the wait will be delayed for the combined times of both waits instead of just after the time of the wait in the trigger.

Not too complex if you read it enough times.

You should almost never say "always".

OP: If you're good enough with trigger order and general trigger knowledge to avoid wait blocks, then it'd probably be faster to make the map using waits. In a bound, this is fairly easy, because you tend to spend most of your time with just one trigger running repeatedly. Of course, if you're going to do things in some crazy way and make a mess of it, death count timing would be the safer option. Also, if you're going to have more complex systems that require multiple time intervals being measured simultaneously, then you should use death counts; that's not to say that there aren't wait-based systems that will allow you to time multiple events without wait blocks (because there are), but once you get into them, you lose the simplicity advantage of the waits, and would have an easier time of it just using a death-count-based system. So really, I'd say it depends on your situation.



None.

May 13 2010, 12:28 am Roy Post #4

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

Original Post


(Edit following the first post's request)

My preference for Bounds: Waits

Quote from Death Counter Timers for Bounds
Pros
- No wait blocks, so bad triggering won't necessarily break the obstacle
- Obstacles start immediately
- Good practice for more complex maps

Cons
- Inefficient (Takes longer, more triggers)
- If you're not used to them, timing is more difficult
- More difficult to go through/adjust obstacles
- A little more complicated vs Waits

Quote from Wait Timers for Bounds
Pros
- Easy to understand and adjust
- More efficient
- Keeps things slightly more organized
- Unlikely to encounter wait blocks since one obstacle runs at a time
- Common method among bound makers
- Runs a little smoother / more evenly vs Death Counts

Cons
- Possibility to encounter Wait Blocks
- Delay between next obstacle start (Unless a wait block solution is performed)


Post has been edited 5 time(s), last time on May 13 2010, 10:54 pm by Roy.




May 14 2010, 4:17 am mapping4joy Post #5



Well, using waits is like 10x faster for me just because of Angelfarto's Boundmaker.



None.

Options
  Back to forum
Please log in to reply to this topic or to report it.
Members in this topic: None.
[11:50 pm]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- nice, now i have more than enough
[11:49 pm]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- if i don't gamble them away first
[11:49 pm]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- o, due to a donation i now have enough minerals to send you minerals
[2024-4-17. : 3:26 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- i have to ask for minerals first tho cuz i don't have enough to send
[2024-4-17. : 1:53 am]
Vrael -- bet u'll ask for my minerals first and then just send me some lousy vespene gas instead
[2024-4-17. : 1:52 am]
Vrael -- hah do you think I was born yesterday?
[2024-4-17. : 1:08 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- i'll trade you mineral counts
[2024-4-16. : 5:05 pm]
Vrael -- Its simple, just send all minerals to Vrael until you have 0 minerals then your account is gone
[2024-4-16. : 4:31 pm]
Zoan -- where's the option to delete my account
[2024-4-16. : 4:30 pm]
Zoan -- goodbye forever
Please log in to shout.


Members Online: Roy, Judcfrffvf