I never said 'The bible has nothing against homosexuals'

I said that Jesus ate with the lepers, which he did.

The bible contradicts itself by saying love thy neighbor but then makes conditions to that rule. That was my point.

You assumed and mis-interpreted, thats your own fault.

You love the person, not the person's actions.

And what would you do if your best friend came out of the closet to you tomorrow Falk? Would you distance yourself from him? If he was dead set on being gay and really needed you to be an accepting friend how would you handle that? I think you'd make him feel terrible.

Yes, I would, because he is doing the wrong actions, and until then he stops I won't hate him, I will just hate the action he has chosen.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 1 2007, 6:47 pm by Falkoner.

And this is why i think of you as a bad person.

Your taking your beliefs so far that youd hurt someone close to you. And I can find nothing more wrong than that.

Being gay/bi is fine. It's just those other people that think different of a person because of their opinion. For instance, in this topic, people don't believe in God. They have that right, this is America (land of the free???) and no one should give them any shit and they shouldn't bother. No matter what you say, the aren't going to listen to you, and you have to face the facts that you may be depressing them with the arrogant bull shit you give them. They aren't bothering you (unless of course one does come on to you, which you should kindly say, "Sorry, I'm not into that." and leave them alone. Don't bust out laughing and/or cussing them. They are people too.) so yeah there is my opinion.

Fierce, that is exactly the reason I am going to stop arguing over this, because even when I KNOW a religion is true, I will not be able to convince them over a forum.

You couldnt convince me at gunpoint.

No, because if you were at gunpoint you would know that you don't want to be in a religion where people hold people at gunpoint to convert them, duh.

This just made me lol.
Srsly.
XD

There is no way to convince ANYONE that there is a God, they should believe what they want to believe. You couldn't convince me otherwise that there is a God. If anyone would like to flame me for saying such, please take it to heart that I still respect your opinion, and it's great to have faith so you have something to look forward to.

So you're going to hate his actions by hating him, which you said you wouldn't do? Holy hypocrites, Batman! But really, this God guy sounds like a real dictator. He loves everyone, but He (See my capitalization?) smites anyone who doesn't follow his orders? Sounds like a Starcraft player with a glitchy computer, not the divine creator of the universe to me. Now before anyone asks, I'm a straight implicit athiest. I'm not saying God doesn't exist, but I'm saying that if He does, He's a hypocritical meanie. Honestly, I could care less about someone's sexuality. As long as they don't seriously ask me out, I'm fine with it. Again, before anyone asks, I have homosexual friends. I'm noticing a trend here, too. All of the anti-homosexuals here are religious, and have nothing but a religious basis for it. Could it be that they're just angry because a book says they can't have the same freedom of belief? And who's to say that the Bible really is God's will? Ever consider that it could've been a lie written by some prick with a sense of humor, like the people who wrote those "pre-released" Harry Potters, or half the authors of Wikipedia? Also, what does it even matter to you if someone is gay? Ok, so they might be sinning, or whatever. But are they harming you? No. Did gays cause the fall of Rome? Nope. Are they messing up the world? Not anymore than anyone else, and do not tell me that they are because they're spreading disease or simply disobeying God's will, because straight people do that too. I think that just about covers it. Oh yeah, and you guys probably don't object to lesbians, if you know what I mean.

We are derailing the topic. Stop talking about God, religion may have something to do with this topic, but it isn't the focus of it at all. The question is, is being gay genetic or influential? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you are bringing your opinions into the wrong topic. Make your own topic about God if you want to.

I do object to lesbians. Just because you sit at your computer viewing pornography does not mean that we do. Genesis 39:9

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 1 2007, 7:55 pm by Falkoner.

Hey, I never said I do, if you didn't notice. Care to explain about Genesis 39:9, considering I've never read the Bible?

Then get reading.

Hey I read a really big book that said heterosexuality was the devil and that the only holy people were homosexuals, can I apply that as a legitimate argument? No? Then how can you say so vice versa. Oh and if you're someone who's going to say "Because the Bible is the right one!" then I ask you, how? What makes your really big book any better than mine?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 1 2007, 11:00 pm by Crystal Fire Dragon.

I have no reason to, and this discussion makes me edge closer and closer to explicit atheism.
Exactly. I asked the same question in my really big post.

Also, I still have some unanswered questions for the religious people: Last time I checked, homosexuality isn't one of the cardinal sins, so really, you should hate your gluttonous friend more than your gay buddy...

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 1 2007, 11:10 pm by FatalException.

He doesn't have to. Bill Clinton passed DOMA to ensure that gays aren't equal. There's not much left to do on that.

I agree with you, intentionally hurting someone I consider a friend is more wrong to me than just about anything.

As for all of you who hate gays... it's in the 14th Amendment that all people are to be treated the same. Even more so, why shouldn't we treat them the same? In the end, we're all human.

Another day, another person going to the freezing underworld of Hell for blind faith and closed-mindedness.
Didn't you know that God sends everyone but agnostics there?
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Anyways, to get back on topic...

I'm willing to change my mind on this pretty easily, but I'm guessing it's predominantly how one is born, but can be influenced otherwise.
Hell, 'evil' or not, it'd be damned conveniant if it could just be chosen. I'd like that a good bit.
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Of course, what's really gonna screw me over is that I don't like celery. God hates people that don't appreciate every thing he's put on this Earth for us to enjoy, y'know. Oh, that and the fact that an appreciation for it'd be good for my health, of genuine interest to me and not just mocking-hypothetical-fundamentalist-me.