Hello Everyone, I'm rather new to the forums here on SeN.

This is a VERY serious topic. It may also be frightening for some... you have been warned.

Has anyone heard of the New World Order? This is a serious issue to discuss.

The New World Order is the world around you to keep you from seeing the true, dark "secrets" of society. I think it's a little like subliminal advertising. The subconsicousness you live with in society as you see "signs" in everyday life of the NWO. In famous company logos, in movies, in books, in the streets, in the bible, church, temple, mosque, politics, and many, MANY other places. These subconsiously influence you into the NWO.

Remember how the presidents get the briefing of the "World's Top Secrets"? I have a feeling that the New World Order is involved. It seems that the president is always siding with the NWO. I want your opinions on this matter.

Do you all think this is really true? The videos speak for most of it. Please watch and listen carefully.

I want you to at least watch the first two videos. The other one(s) are if you want to do more research on this topic, or go to youtube and search "New World Order"

Part 1 NWO Conspiracy


Part 2 NWO Conspiracy


The Obama Deception


OTHER:

Secondary Bombs in 9/11? Planted by who??? Our Government???


Like I said before, I would like your opinions on this. Is it just phony? If so, what's with all the signs of the NWO?

I personally am leaning toward the side of this being true.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Mar 20 2010, 5:22 am by mapping4joy.

I have skimmed the videos. I am not completely sure this counts as SD?

Say that this new world order does happen? What do you want to do about it and why is it bad?

The first video just shows the dominance of religion in the world. (which is not new)

I say this NWO could only happen if society degrades in matters of intelligence. (I personally do not think that society will ever advance towards a more logical [Vulcan?] world.)
Also the video references Glenn Beck which I find suspicious because he is an idiot (no college degree).

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Mar 20 2010, 4:53 am by MasterJohnny.

Personally, I suggest you watch these videos a second time, and keep in mind that these videos are made by people much like yourself; people who are not experts in material properties, history, sociology or psychology. If these theories are true, why doesn't the media eat them up? The media loves to destroy people and rat out governments, it gives them great ratings, I mean look at what happened during the Nixon administration. Any journalist worth a nickel would POUNCE on a real conspiracy. Secondly, who gains to profit from this? The Knights Templar? Some secret society bent on world domination? If such a society exists, their membership would have to be massive in order to impose their treachery on a global scale. And we all know the old saying: three can keep a secret, if two are dead. I know I'm skeptical as hell of anyone who uses the words "sacred geometry." I see no reason to ignore logic and believe a bunch of stories concocted by some 17 year old nerd who has some free time and posts videos on youtube. The videos are meant to invoke an emotional response in the audience by being provocative, in an attempt to suspend the viewers reason and convince them of the message the video wants to send. If someone wrote a research paper on these and had it published in a respectable publication, then I think there would be cause to believe in something like this. Have conspiracy theorists ever been right?

I believe this is actually a serious issue, some people probably think otherwise simply because they think it's fake. The government could possibly be planning the downfall of our nation for the NWO.

Did you actually WATCH the videos? Instead of just going through random intervals that you clicked?

Here is a film called the Obama Deception. It goes into a lot more detail. I don't expect you to watch the whole thing considering how it is almost two hours long. It will probably be some more convincing to some people, however

If you honestly believe there were secondary bombs in the WTC, this automatically does not belong in Serious Discussion.

Also, as soon as I saw Freemasons pop up in the first video, I stopped watching. I've heard it all before, it's illogical, it's wrong. Freemasons don't do anything. They're a fraternity. They hang out and drink beers.

I watched the short youtube ones fully. Why would you suggest I do to this knowing that these people are not experts? (where as I am pretty good in sciences) (are you telling me to think illogically?)

I skimmed the the long 2 hour video. It clearly shows the maker does not understand basic science and economics. It is full of lies, pretty much a propaganda video.
They say that the FED is at fault for the economy but I do not think they know how the FED works. The president appoints some of the key members of the FED. If there is corruption in the FED it is would be Bush's fault because he was in control when the economy began failing. I think Bush did weaken banking regulation.
It promotes the idea that climate change is not real. (which is not science) Climate change not being real is an irrational idea.
The maker is probably someone who does not have a college degree.

There is too much blame on Obama and not enough on Bush.

I had not made my first post with the knowledge that you had already posted, Masterjohnny. I meant it to refer to mapping4joy.

I don't wish this to evolve into a topic about global warming or climate change either, but I suggest you leave the findings of science to be determined by the scientists who practice it, and consult their work instead of haughtily waving it about as the be-all-and-end-all of all problems in life. Regardless of whether or not you are "good in sciences" as you claim, neither you nor the people who made the video are experts in any of the aformentioned specializations, and are really not qualified to make conjectures as to whether or not certain phenomena like the collapsing of steel due to the impact of a jetliner are realistic or not. This is, in my opinion, the largest reason to not believe in these videos. A proper analysis would include extensive research, citations, access to the information regarding the material properties of the materials the structures were created from, like yield strength, modulus of elasticity, and presumably some sort of method to find the approximate impulse impacted on the building due to the jetliners. If these videos came up with some sort of analysis like this, I'd find them entirely more believable.

Also, opinions regarding whether or not this particular topic belongs in SD are pointless. If your judgement was required, you would be a mod, and I would not be. SD shall entertain any idea so long as it is presented in conformance with the rules, or a mod besides me decides otherwise. I believe this topic is sufficiently different from other conspiracy topics to not warrant closure or any other action, due mostly to the emphasis on "world" conspiracies.

On a more serious note, there will never be a NWO like what you think unless suddenly all the world governments got together and actually worked together on everything, agreeing with each other. And the chances of that happening are nil.

I hate these conspiracies, it's such an outrageous claim that was debunked. People had already debunked these films, yet people are still sending this through private messages, emails, and whatnot like crazy for the sake of shoving one's opinion down one's throat. I'm sick of arguing against people in YouTube that believes these claims because they like to believe it, spread it, and be in complete denial against those who stand against these conspiracies.

Look, Obama has 2 to 3 YouTube channels, one was for the election, one was for being president-elect, and one primarily used as president. The one he primarily uses to host a lot of daily videos (Go ahead, call it propaganda) in his daily life at the White House or travel. He has only 97,128 subscribers (Which is pretty low for being President when compared to nigahiga's 2 million subscribers). Though sadly these videos only pass several thousand views. What's worse is that people who are politically moved as conservative, or through these conspiracies, spew insults with their opinions and conspiracies against Obama since the account's registration despite Obama trying to make his Presidency transparent and open in the internet with his agenda. So, Obama tries to share his agenda (Whether you like it or not, for or against) or personal visits at locations and puts it up in the internet, but there are people who believe Obama is part of the "New World Order" or how he is a "puppet"... what? Some may say his videos is "his propaganda", but at least he's not shoving it down at people's throats like what conspiracy theorists are doing.

Seriously, a few conspiracy videos that receives millions of views but a President that hosts thousands of videos since his inauguration does not necessarily receive hundreds of thousand views, (Mainly because the White House posts so many videos, not all of them can be watched to a million views unless some are "advertised", which mostly are not).

Also, my point of bringing Obama's Youtube account to the discussion is that, as much as he wants to share his agenda, his YouTube account is heavily ignored while there are conspiracy videos regarding his presidency or political issues going back and forth in YouTube. Talk about perspective of viewing both sides in the argument. Though it's not much a problem for him if it's Facebook.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Mar 20 2010, 9:44 pm by KrayZee.

First video made me chuckle. I'm to believe an eye and simple geometry is all a conspiracy against the world.
I, and the rest of us, should be afraid of "the sacred flower".
It only shows how dominant religion has been, and how influential it has been these past three-four hundred years (that is to say, when this "conspiracy" started).

Second one makes me think the creator played too much Doom / Oblivion.
And proceeding through the video, they somehow related religion to subconsciously placed symbols, and that certain symbols are there to raise "Lucifer"?.
Okay, and now New World Order means we all have the same currency?
And microchips getting planted on us was completely foretold thousands of years ago when the Christian Bible and it's writers were unaware of such events. Also, you can clearly see the watermark on the so-called "imprisonment device".
There's also no proof that this "New World Order" wants to exterminate life. Basically, this guy needs more references.
He really does seem to be like a hardcore Christian who's mad at the world. Oh look, the credits even reference: "All Glory,Honor,and Praise go to: The Lord Jesus Christ".
So I was right all along.

I saw a little bit of the two hour film. Not much detail to comment on.

And finally, I don't understand why people can't just accept the fact that maybe both of them did occur (that there were explosives within the World Trade Center), but they weren't planted by the government itself. Did you ever come to think that maybe other people understood structural integrity of structures as well?


EDIT: I used too many .

I do agree that on a lot of the things he does not have much evidence, but one of the things that most bothers me is how George Washington's statue is in the satanic pose.



How come you see government officials doing the 'horns' sign so much? I don't think they're into heavy metal.







This just seems really wierd to me. I can't think of why else they would do the 'horns' sign and why George Washington is in the satanic pose (besides if they were possibly into heavy metal but I don't think they were.)

Maybe they're just trying to seem hip and cool, but failing miserably? They're a bunch of old rich white dudes, for Darwin's sake. It's entirely possible that they envy the young, yet suck at mimicking them.

Plus Bush was from Texas, and the university of texas had a hand signal like that to show support, as the UT mascot/logo is a longhorn bull.

Also, the hand signal for 'love' is the same but with the thumb stuck out. They may have been trying to do that, but didn't know how to do it properly.

I watched the full first video and didn't even bother watching the second. If the government/corporations had as much "advanced technology" as the video said, shouldn't they be able to remove a single YouTube video made by some angry teenager? For anyone who doesn't know, YouTube is run by Google--a major corporation and a supposed member of the NWO.

Yeah there are actually a lot of banned youtube videos on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDjW4kofVOc0

I genuinely don't understand. Elaborate please?

@mapping: I do believe that your most recent video contradicts -- no, outright disagrees with -- the existence of a "NWO".

@mapping. Your last video was indeed a fail. You, and every example in that video, conform to a stereotype. The stereotype being that Truthers do not think about what they see. When you are presented with these videos does the thought,"Source?" come to mind? My physics teacher taught me a virtue of self dependence. When you are told something is true, assume that it is false. Then, search honestly for evidence to reject your assumption. If you have found evidence that rejects your null hypotheses then accept what they have told you. If you have not found evidence, accept the null hypothesis.

This will make you a better debater, and a better "truther". Then you might actually find (and embrace) what I have found:

sometimes things happen. Sometimes these things are scary, and unusual. Sometimes these thing happen for no elaborate reason, and we will just have to accept it and live with it.

From the 1976 film Network (which is awesome, by the way - you should see it)

What are you guys so afraid of? Even if there is a conspiracy...so what? Someone told me they are intentionally dumbing down the education system so that the powerful rise above everyone else. But I want to know...what's stopping everyone from researching and archiving *right now.* That's right, if you're so god damn afraid of someone taking away your pursuit of knowledge - which is really the biggest thing at stake here - then learn it now and don't forget. Otherwise, you don't care enough.