I'll be brief.

If I don't scrap it, here's what I need to do:
decorate (includes further terrain changes and doodads)
reverse top nat (if I do this, it creates an unbalance, due to the rules pertaining to harvesting gas, but as-is it's relatively easy to harass/destroy the gas)
possibly remove mineral blockage from the bridges
free up more build space in the mains?
EDIT: TURRET ROOM! CRAP! <--- done, although the dumb pic doesn't say so

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Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Dec 26 2009, 11:31 pm by Pronogo.

Top left and bottom right look tankable from that high dirt, put a doodad there or change it so tanks can't be landed there from a dship.

The 3 highdirt layer things are too straight and boring, make them more curvy and natural, while still not tankable. Remember, you can use doodads to stop cliffs being tankable.

Overall, an improvement. Ex or ciara or bedazed can help with more balance than me.

They aren't, I just checked.

I tried to edit it around a bit, but I ran into all sorts of tank problems. I'll get something going when I have a bit more time.

Thanks.

Read what I wrote to you on (2)Eye of the storm and see if any of those qualify for this map.

EDIT: Also, bad map size. Do 96x96 if you are attempting a 2 player map.

Are you SURE that NONE of the mins or CC spots are tankable? Some look very close...I can't check ingame right now though.

Bad map. Almost as bad as your first one.
Now I'm going to be mean:

TOO FUCKING TIGHT. YOU HEAR ME?
Even if the entire mid was nothing but open dirt it would STILL be too linear to be a good map.

AVOID STRAIGHT LINES.
This entire map is a series of straight lines. They are the enemy when making a melee.

NO CONCEPT, NOTHING TO SALVAGE.
There is no reason for you to work on this map any further. It has no concept and is made of nothing but mistakes.

Oohh! Theres my Excalibur! I missed you so much!

No two-ways-into-the-main.
The creep-in-the-choke works, or is close enough.
There is no middle expo.
There are very few, if any, tank holes (ofc this is me and not someone else).
Not sure exactly what you meant by that, but if you are speaking of the tessellated main/nat walls, read my previous post on that.
The 'islands' you spoke of were supposed to be min-onlies in the other map, but in this map that doesn't exactly matter, considering there are no islands.
Nats have six mineral fields, expoes have four, min-onlies have six, mains have nine.
I didn't encounter any problems with the mineral formations, although when using one of them there hacks that auto-orders your workers to gather minerals, they wouldn't work (at least on the bottom main), but that isn't much of an issue considering I didn't make the map for hackers.
Again, there are few, if any, tank holes.
The concept here was that there's an easy way and a hard way to the other side of the river, but to gain access to the easy way you have to mine out the minerals.... yeah...
Not sure on the depth bit.
Not using Jungle terrain to begin with.
Comments on the open-ness or closed-ness of the map? I'm not exactly good at judging that.


Tessellated high grounds are thin this time around.
I watched them.

@size - Well, I was going for something different. How much, exactly, does it lower the quality of play on the map?

EDIT:
Fuck it.

Any map larger than 128 in one of its dimensions is worthless for melee play.

Any map smaller than 96 in one of its dimensions is worthless for melee play.

I think you meant to say that if it isn't square, it's worthless. Considering ONE OF IT'S DIMENSIONS was 96 and ONE IF IT'S DIMENSIONS was 128, your post means nothing to this map. At all.

If I read correctly, you asked about map dimensions in your previous post. If I misread, sorry.

I asked about whether or not 128x96 impacted poorly on melee play.

It really depends on how you make your map. Peaks of Baekdu was a good map on 128x98. You should take a look at it.

98 works without crashes, eh? Baekdu was the one with the retarded stacked minerals/double-gas mains, right?

It was a pro map, made by professional people who make maps so much better than you can- that it would be hypocritical to criticize their map, at least by someone of your stature. And it wasn't double gas main. You look in to it, and see what a pro map looks like.
Your map looks like shit, and your attitude is shit. I don't care if your map sucks, but attitude matters. Before you call those maps retarded, look at yourself, and your map. It's all retarded.

Buddy, you can call a movie retarded all you want. Can you make a better movie? No, you probably fucking can't, and it'd be just as bad, if you're fucking lucky.

It's one thing to call my map retarded. Congratulations, how long are we gonna beat this dead horse? It's another thing entirely to call me retarded, as I am by no means impaired deficiently in any way. I'm learning. Sure, it's shit, but were your first few attempts ever so much better than mine that it gives you the right to be a complete and utter troll about it?

Let me answer that for you: no, it doesn't.

Oh, and, FTR, I just booted up a match on it, and it has stacked minerals and a double-gas main, one of which is placed horrendously on the upper starting location.

As for my attitude, you're right - now my attitude is shit. I was merely poking fun, which is a lot fucking less than what you and all your pals've done.

http://www.panschk.de/mappage/map_thumbnails/%282%29New%20Peaks%20of%20Baekdu%202.2_logo.jpg
This was the fuckin map I was talkin about. And it doesn't have stacked mineral mains and double gas.

And if you can't suck it up, give it up. If you've taken a good look at league maps, your maps wouldn't come out like this. Unless what I said was right.

This is almost like my first attempt, except excalibur didn't go ballistic on my ass like he did here. At least he's actually back god damn. Keep your mean!

The problem is, this ISN'T his first attempt.
And I've really told him to PM, not post. It was his choice, he had it coming.

It's my second attempt, my first real attempt considering I didn't use mirror X-Y on the last one.
I never saw you tell me to PM and not post, hence the thread.