PROS:
No tank holes (that I know of).
Easily-defended nats and mains.
Large and open second expoes (lower-middle and upper-middle).
CONS:
Cramped mains and nats.
Mains are easily contained in PvT (possible PvZ also, haven't tested).
Rather ugly terrain in and around the nats.
I'm sure I missed some [cons], but before I take the time to doodad the map, I'll post it here for feedback/what-to-improve, etc.
The middle expansion is an island. There are no extended terrain ramps (I thought about doing that, but felt it would be too easy to take it and/or destroy it, being so cramped).
Minerals have been randomized in the map, but not in the image (forgot to do that before posting the image).
EDIT: It looks like the upper-middle's leftmost and rightmost mineral fields have more minerals than the lower-middle's corresponding fields. This was fixed before the upload, so don't worry 'bout that.
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I spy, with my little eye, a Hundred-Thousand tank spots around the nats.
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This is so bad that I'm not even going to bother.
Until you fix everything in your cons list plus five more issues I can see that aren't listed, I'm not going to say anything.
@Excalibur
Im going to dissect this map. Remember me if I dont come back
Two ways into a main is bad for zerg.
The mains are too small.
Make it so if a zerg player builds a hatchery at the nat, that the creep gets in the way of the main's choke.
The middle expansion has too much minerals.
Tank holes. Everywhere.
Get rid of the straight high terrain. There is no straight terrain in nature.
Your islands need a geyser.
For expansions, you should only have 7-8 mineral fields.
Your mineral formations arent good.
Almost everything is tankable.
There is no concept.
There is no depth.
Never use Raised Jungle (lol). It doesnt look so good. You cant tessellate with it either.
Map is too open
Read this:
5. MINERAL FORMATIONS AND 'THE GAS ISSUE'Mineral formations are very important to game play. No one wants their minerals placed in a way that has workers scrambling around the back of them trying to get at a blocked field. And no one wants fields to be further away than they have to be.
Example of good mineral placement:
You forgot to make the tessellated high grounds thin. Terrans can land tanks on them.
Ill be the first one to say this (Sorry, Excalibur) but watch the videos.
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bad excalibur, that's a bad excalibur
How'd you get HoN anyway? Matches your other thing, w/e that is.
Person making the map: Watch
these, read
this and
this before attempting a melee please. It's what we all had to do, it helps trust me.
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>be faceless void >mfw I have no face
I'm not even a melee mapper, but this has no concept, and little visible effort put into it.
Red classic.
"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."
That is funny. Good job on finding every single one.
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The best Christmas gift I received this year was my melee
punching bags students learning to bash the fresh meat. I'm so proud.
The best Christmas gift I received this year was my melee
punching bags students learning to bash the fresh meat. I'm so proud.
You taught us well, master.
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Excalibur, that HoN thing took you from your grumpy ass attitude. I don't like it it's starting to get really disappointing. Where's the bashing? The yelling at people for not reading fucking stickies?
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Excalibur, that HoN thing took you from your grumpy ass attitude. I don't like it it's starting to get really disappointing. Where's the bashing? The yelling at people for not reading fucking stickies?
Because I already yelled at Pronogo for not reading the sticked
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Am I considered a melee punching bag, then? Cause I told him to read something, too you know
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Are you serious about this map Prono? I'd think that after all these other half-assed melee maps in this section, you'd be able to compare yours to those and see if it's good or not.
Right, because you were perfect the first time 'round, and you're even perfect now.
I honestly did not think I'd get anything more than what I got, other than the major fucking offtopicness.
GJ!
>be faceless void >mfw I have no face
There's good advice spread through this thread. Anyway, first think of a way to make your map interesting. Then, plan it out on paper. After reading the melee mapping guides and videos, start making the map. Make sure the mains, nats, and expos aren't tankable AT ALL. Finish the basic map, make sure it isn't too narrow, and post here. Take a bit of time over it, several hours at least. Make it interesting, so people will want it to be better. Then post it here and find out how to balance it better. Your map you posted looks like the work of half an hour, and is boring. Try make interesting shapes with the terrain, take more care with the balance.
Red classic.
"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."
On topic. Your map fails Pronogo. You should read the fucking guides, take a look at pro maps, and see that you knew nothing about melee mapping, and that with a map like this, any insult you take should be 'on-topic'.
Just my piece of advice, ask Ex, or people who map melee, or play melee pretty well; privately on PM- before even posting your maps. It just makes you look like an idiot, not a cool little guy starting new shit. Just so you know, you're not the one to talk here, with major fucking offtopicness. Your map is a major fucking offtopicness to this section of the forum.
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There's good advice spread through this thread. Anyway, first think of a way to make your map interesting. Then, plan it out on paper. After reading the melee mapping guides and videos, start making the map. Make sure the mains, nats, and expos aren't tankable AT ALL. Finish the basic map, make sure it isn't too narrow, and post here. Take a bit of time over it, several hours at least. Make it interesting, so people will want it to be better. Then post it here and find out how to balance it better. Your map you posted looks like the work of half an hour, and is boring. Try make interesting shapes with the terrain, take more care with the balance.
I'll do that next time.
On topic. Your map fails Pronogo. You should read the fucking guides, take a look at pro maps, and see that you knew nothing about melee mapping, and that with a map like this, any insult you take should be 'on-topic'.
Just my piece of advice, ask Ex, or people who map melee, or play melee pretty well; privately on PM- before even posting your maps. It just makes you look like an idiot, not a cool little guy starting new shit. Just so you know, you're not the one to talk here, with major fucking offtopicness. Your map is a major fucking offtopicness to this section of the forum.
Thank you. No, I can not melee for the life of me.
