Ya, rly.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2906915/left_4_dead_2_gameplay_video/
See if you can spot the hidden "WTF".

Zombiality

Boycott for the win.

At first I was actually looking for text and then I saw that I was like wtf lmfao

Anyway, good luck boycotting the game. I'm definitely buying this and you can whine about it all you want but for me, I'm going to be enjoying chainsawing some zombeh n00bs.

Cant wait for this game to come out!!!

"And if we run out of bullets, they gonna wish we hadn't."

xD I love that line!

why??...

Read this. Gabe Newell promised more content for Left 4 Dead 1 (Survival and 2 campaigns maps as Versus is not enough what Gabe promised), not a sequel. New characters are bland if compared (Jen Taylor accomplished an amazing job for Zoey) to the original Left 4 Dead characters, incendiary rounds makes the tank easy to kill, which perhaps playing as the tank in versus a bitch to play if incendiary rounds are placed around the Tank spawn. There are people who do not want to play as cyan shirted Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince of Bel Air, the redneck scout, or a News reporter girl who can't replace Zoey. And lastly, Electronic Arts is part of this. Chances are, they are doing it for the money especially if Valve announced a sequel too soon.

Lastly, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49zmWhw_vGw

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 17 2009, 11:41 pm by John F Kennedy.

I agree with every thing John F Kennedy says.

The boycott isn't going to work in the end, but it's a good example of what the gamers can do.

Valve is a business, internet petitions and boycotts won't necessarily hinder it's game publishing a lot.



Mmmm, black people in my L4D, fun.

Left4Dead 2
Left4Dead Expansion

So would you rather them make a new game or charge heavily for the extra content?

Free downloadable content, a lot like Valve's support for Team Fortress 2 by having class updates for free.

...Ever since the new Halo 2 maps were charged with real money, Xbox players have a tendency of purchasing it and are okay with that idea (With eventually turned ridiculous when players have to purchase theme packs, pictures and horse armor with real money).
Meanwhile, PC players gets it for free, at the same time: PC gamers develops maps for free. Would you pay $10 if there were three new maps in StarCraft developed by Blizzard? I know about map packs from Blizzard are all free and available from their website or automatically patched via Battle.net for WarCraft III and Diablo 2. If these maps were charged, shouldn't players making maps deserve an amount of profit?

Left 4 Dead 2 shouldn't even exist, especially if this is Valve we're talking about. This is their first time announcing a sequel too soon to its predecessor.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Jul 18 2009, 4:06 pm by John F Kennedy.

Actually, I believe it should have been announced earlier (due to the fact that there isn't much content)

As much as I know the boycotters are butt hurt about not getting free things and things the way they want it, Valve doesn't care. You have to look through the eyes of the company and whats best for the company. Oh and I'm not the one that buys EVERYTHING (map packs and such) for a game unless I truly enjoy the game.

And you boycotters should get over yourselves. You can either buy the game or stop complaining because Valve isn't going to be like "Oh wow! These people deserve new maps, new characters, new classes, new sounds, new game modes, and much more all for free!"

And not everyone got the class updates on TF2, fyi.

You don't play many Valve games, do you fierce?
We have a reasonable expectation to have free add-on content from Valve. Why? Because they have a very long history of providing updates for free. And they also promised previously to provide said updates for free. We expect them to continue their history of continually adding content for their popular games, because they, as a company, have always made the right decision to have few, content rich games that people will still be buying five years after their release date. That's how Valve has always operated, and I'm disappointed they've stopped being that way. I doubt I will buy any more Valve games for the XBox360 --- I'll simply pirate them for the computer. The only reason I bought L4D was because I expected Valve to 1. Keep on their promises of updates and 2. Not come out with sequels early on that make L4D obsolete. TF2 came out eleven years after TF1, for Christ's sake.

First off, what you wrote describes that you do not know Valve.

If Valve doesn't care, then why do they distribute free additional content for Team Fortress 2? Or most importantly, why did they make Steam and have occasional temporary price drops? And butt hurt? Right, because insults does nothing, that shouldn't even be part of your argument. Since Valve is known for having expansions for Half Life games, not half assed sequels, this does in fact hurt the company.

"You can either buy the game or stop complaining". Um, what?

About the class updates on Team Fortress 2, they are still free, only earned. And since I'm sure that players are required to have Steam to play Team Fortress 2 online, everybody SHOULD have all of the new Team Fortress 2 maps, or featured user made maps if they play Team Fortress 2. If Steam requires all users to install the latest patch to play online, then they all have the free maps. Hell, even during the release of the class updates, they allow players to play Team Fortress 2 for free in a free weekend.

Gabe Newell promised free additional content for Left 4 Dead such as additional weapons, campaigns, characters. Where did that end up? A full priced sequel.

Like what BiOAtK said: You don't play many Valve games, do you Fierce?

A speech truly worthy of JFK.
lololol

I've played Team Fortress Classic, Team Fortress 2, Half Life, Half Life 2 (with Episodes 1 and 2), Counter Strike Source, Garry's mod, HL Deathmatch, etc. You aren't receiving the message. Game companies change (look at Blizzard for instance).
Dropping prices on games is just another way to gather more people to make money. Eventually price drops happen anyway because the games get old.
Sorry about that, I meant to say: "You can either buy the game or get left behind." I got mixed up during my post because I had just woken up an hour before I made the post.
Like I said before, game companies change and become greedy. Seriously though. There is no point even trying to boycott the game because more than likely if they have become greedy then you don't matter at all. People will still buy this game (like me for instance) because I enjoyed (and still do enjoy) L4D.

Giving up on a company after one blunder? That's sad. Unless if you live your life under the theory "fool me once, shame on you: fool me twice, shame on me" I think you should reconsider. If they've been so good to you in the past this little sting in your relationship shouldn't mark the end of things. I'd say give them another chance.

Also, I think some people may be overlooking the motive behind this sequel. Have they released a statement on why they decided to do a sequel instead of an expansion or downloadable content? There can be more explanations than "Well they're just cash cows trying to take my last dime!"

Every 3d engine has its limits. Maybe they felt the engine they used for l4d wasn't going to take them to where they wanted to go, so they switched and in switching they had to start from new.

It also needs to be considered that they are a business and they can't continue to be a business unless they keep making money. They're taking economic hits just like everyone else. There wont be any downloadable content if the company isn't making money.

Anyway, not saying these are there reasoning, just saying there is more to it than we're probably seeing here.

EDIT: Wish i had found this website before I made this post lol:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10643575

EDIT EDIT: I would like to add that although some of the points are objective and aren't supported by perfectly sound logic, I think he is on point overall.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 18 2009, 9:22 pm by Jello-Jigglers.

And you're missing the point of value of content. Why would anyone boycotting purchasing the same game, only with some updates and disappointing characters? You could easily just lie and list a Valve game. And about Blizzard, there are many people that despises the subscription service, and there are people who are disappointed at "No LAN" in StarCraft II. You are suggesting that such changes are okay, and you're okay that is pisses people off. Microsoft is a good example of a company that changed a lot, as its name refers itself "Micro" as it began small. With the success of Halo 2's downloadable content purchased with real money, they went overboard by having theme packs, pictures, and more map packs at the cost of real money. Why is it that you can easily change your "theme" on your computer (Aka wallpaper) for free and avatar in forums for free while in Xbox Live, you would have to purchase it with real money for some worthless decorated pixels? With Valve mentioning that it's hard to put additional content, and for FREE in the Xbox 360 version of Team Fortress 2 (Microsoft wanted the downloadable content have a price tag), there are speculation whether the Xbox 360 is part of the problem. Other than that, with EA use to making sequels every year and greed, and is part of working with Valve, Left 4 Dead 2 is considered to get quick cash.

You aren't receiving the message, the value of additional content should be free and not be considered a full priced sequel. And Left 4 Dead was not released three years ago, Fierce.
Of course. But Left 4 Dead is only released since last November, and actually quite considered way too early for a sequel Valve game. Not only is it early, but it isn't necessarily a significant change to be considered a sequel.
Right. In the meantime, Valve is still considering updating the old Left 4 Dead at the same time as Left 4 Dead 2. Left behind of what? A charger (The idea actually came from fans), walking witch, disappointing characters, sunlight, fire bullets, melee weapons, and different campaigns? Only thing we would be left behind are the weapons, the charger, and maybe the walking witch. The campaigns can easily be imported to Left 4 Dead 1 with the "Add-on Campaign" feature. And eventually the rest will be part of mods.
I enjoyed Left 4 Dead, but it pisses me off that it seem like the original Left 4 Dead is like a beta for Left 4 Dead 2, with the cost of a full game. If Left 4 Dead 2 is to improve what Left 4 Dead 1 should have, yet Left 4 Dead 1 was promised to be fixed and updated like Team Fortress 2 for free, the promises will likely be broken and having Left 4 Dead 1 abandoned and splitting the community apart.

They are using source engine, and Left 4 Dead 2 is using the very same engine they developed for Half Life 2, Left 4 Dead 1, Team Fortress 2, Portal, etc. It's the same engine.

I don't necessarily think the gaming industry are hit hard by this recession, because mostly I hardly see news about it. There are some gaming industries, such as Free Radical, which eventually became absorbed into Crytek.

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Jul 18 2009, 9:30 pm by John F Kennedy.