Yes, however, the only reason they can "have" children at all is because of selfish couples who not only want no kids, but they still want to be able to have sex freely, if couples were willing to care for their own children, rather than put them up for adoption, you wouldn't be seeing gay couples with children, hence the laws being the way they are, because they were created when people were willing to take responsibility for their actions, specifically their sexual actions.
My friend's mom (who happens to be lesbian) wanted a child, so she had one. >.> They
are biologically related. It is possible for gays to have children through alternative means, not
just adoption.
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Quite often, a gay couple and a lesbian couple get together for the purposes of having two children, with some arrangement such as one going to each couple for the purposes of being raised by them. Homosexual couples are just as "fertile" as heterosexual ones, and have just as much desire to raise children.
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Yes, however, the only reason they can "have" children at all is because of selfish couples who not only want no kids, but they still want to be able to have sex freely, if couples were willing to care for their own children, rather than put them up for adoption, you wouldn't be seeing gay couples with children, hence the laws being the way they are, because they were created when people were willing to take responsibility for their actions, specifically their sexual actions.
What is wrong with a couple having sex freely while not wanting kids? Sex is not purely for procreation, it can be used for recreation. Also, gays can have children, whether it be a sperm donation in the case of a lesbian, or finding a woman willing to have a baby for a gay couple.
Yes, there is a limit, however, we are still far from the limit on our non-replenishable resources, and while people complain about food being such an issue, more people, more farms. We can easily create more food, we have plenty of land, and in most countries, there is actually a declining population, rather than a growing one.
The population in the DEVELOPED world is undergoing logistical growth and slowing down, or declining in some places, but it accounts for less than 1/6 of the world population. Most growth is occurring in developing countries which are short on natural resources and see no end to the growth in site.
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I think a lot of people are confused about the status of marriage. Marriage, in America at least, is a legal status entitling a couple to certain privileges relating to taxation, visitation, children, etc. The so-called religious aspect is completely separate from the legal aspect of marriage. I can go to an office and get married without any religious ceremony involved, and I have the same marriage rights as someone who had a deeply religious marriage. The problem is that homosexuals cannot marry, legally, in many parts of the country. "Civil unions" do not always carry the same rights as marriages, and furthermore, homosexuals should not be forced into a separate category as if marriage was confined to heterosexuals only.
Exactly this is why the state needs to change the legal deffinition of marriage and call it a civil union or whatever. The problem is both the legal rights and religous ceremony use the same word so it should be changed. It is not fair to discriminate against people wether it is race, sexual preference, or any other discrimination and thus why the law needs to be fixed. The only problem i see is many homosexuals won't be just satisfied with the legal status especially if it is called a "civil union" even if it is for everyone. Most will still want the symbolism and traditions that being married stands for. Legal status must be changed but religous status will be slow to change if any.
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Any further propositions about what gay couples do, prefer, think, act, ect, will require citation.
For example, despite your usual good quality of posting, Jabok:
Quite often, a gay couple and a lesbian couple get together for the purposes of having two children, with some arrangement such as one going to each couple for the purposes of being raised by them. Homosexual couples are just as "fertile" as heterosexual ones, and have just as much desire to raise children.
This is an ambiguous, unfounded, uncited statement which will not contribute to the discussion because of its ambiguity ("quite often" how often? what percent? how many gay couples?) and lack of credibility (not even a personal experience listed in favor of it, and no websites linked, ect). This statement is just one example of many things stated so far that lack citation in this discussion, and intended only as an illustration of the problem I have noticed frequently so far. Even though it appears that the statement above was offered only as a possible solution for gay couples raising children, it isn't offered as a theoretical proposition, but rather as a fact due to his sentence construction, which requires citation since it isn't common knowledge what gay people do.
Further claims to statistics regarding gay people without some form of citation will be deleted. (unless there's some pretty good material otherwise in the post to warrant not deleting it).
This is intended as a warning for future posting, and does not require a reply in the topic.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 14 2009, 9:50 am by Vrael.
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No masterjohny at the begin of time when religion "God" created man the bible is like one of the oldest/historcal things so if you believe in God or not it still has facts in it.. "God" told adam and eve that Women and Man were to create a union This is marriage... Believe it or not, Not believeing in a God is actually a fairly new concept. Back in the day everyone believe in some kind of God.
Ok don't be ignorant... Religion made Marriage.
not saying we shouldn't make a universal Marriage but we need it seperate it, so the relgiouse people stop fighting with other people saying stuff like God hates gay... Which is totally stupid because God hates not one according to the bible
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I'm just going to direct this at every one of your posts: Cite sources before you call us ignorant. Even Wikipedia says that you're wrong: "Although
the institution of marriage pre-dates reliable recorded history, many cultures have legends or religious beliefs concerning the origins of marriage."
1Note: I don't think it's OK to be gay. If it was up to me I'd have them shipped away to some remote place of the world then nuke them.
And why is that?
What's your source for this? I have reason to believe that organized religion has existed since the creation of mankind.
What evidence is that? Because, you know, I'm pretty sure that organized religion isn't any older than, say, six or seven thousand years, much less the 200,000 years ago that the first modern humans were about.
2As a sidenote, I think it's selfish to have children currently, or at least more than 2.
How is having children selfish? There are plenty of natural resources, and you are being completely ridiculous to think otherwise, giving up 20 years of your life to raising a child is probably one of the most selfless things you can do.
There are most definitely NOT plenty of natural resources, and by having more than two children, you contribute to overpopulation, which
really has a way of messing things up.
3Ok Ashamed it's not proveable that man has free will as far as I know.
Conversely, it can't be proven that man doesn't have free will. Destiny is impossible to argue, but still more or less improbable.
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>be faceless void >mfw I have no face
What's your source for this? I have reason to believe that organized religion has existed since the creation of mankind.
What evidence is that? Because, you know, I'm pretty sure that organized religion isn't any older than, say, six or seven thousand years, much less the 200,000 years ago that the first modern humans were about.
2That depends on if you believe in evolution and a hugely old world. I believe the Bible is correct, so yes there has been religion for 6000 odd years, which according to the Bible is when man was created.
Ok Ashamed it's not proveable that man has free will as far as I know.
Conversely, it can't be proven that man doesn't have free will. Destiny is impossible to argue, but still more or less improbable.
True, if you don't believe the Bible, but theres nothing that I can prove to you and even Christians would debate whether or not man has free will. It doesn't relate to the topic a massive amount, I just wanted to see what Ashamed had to say about his idea.
Red classic.
"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."
What's your source for this? I have reason to believe that organized religion has existed since the creation of mankind.
What evidence is that? Because, you know, I'm pretty sure that organized religion isn't any older than, say, six or seven thousand years, much less the 200,000 years ago that the first modern humans were about.
2That depends on if you believe in evolution and a hugely old world. I believe the Bible is correct, so yes there has been religion for 6000 odd years, which according to the Bible is when man was created.
Ok Ashamed it's not proveable that man has free will as far as I know.
Conversely, it can't be proven that man doesn't have free will. Destiny is impossible to argue, but still more or less improbable.
True, if you don't believe the Bible, but theres nothing that I can prove to you and even Christians would debate whether or not man has free will. It doesn't relate to the topic a massive amount, I just wanted to see what Ashamed had to say about his idea.
It doesn't relate to the topic
at all. Please pay more careful attention to staying on topic from here forward, everyone.
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