Making it look like we have no say is just as foolish. We can say stuff and they might listen.

They don't have to if they don't want to.

Note: I honestly did spend a lot of time trying to write a speech or statement, but couldn't get anywhere. I have mixed emotions and you, my dear readers, will get quotes and responses.

Ha ha ha. Regarding the retirement... I'm not that desperate to stay, but not that desperate to be out, either. I can assure you that my plans didn't involve hiring Excalibur. Experience isn't really required to found a new site.

It seems that many members share this sentiment. A jump of member* to administrator is perceived as quite large. I am not quite sure how much IP considered how the community would react, as such a straight promotion could be seen as an outright insult to many loyal veteran members and staff. While IP himself jumped the same gap, it was under very different circumstances.

Perhaps it is time we re-evaluate precedent and re-examine what is "proper". (Actually, scratch that, Admins aren't bound to what is "proper" )

This may have been a better choice. I addressed this issue with Excalibur himself as well as IP. IP ignored my concern. (in addition to many other concerns I had.) Many of the functions he is to perform do not require an administrator position and could be done in conjunction with me or IP. (Though I'm assuming IP doesn't want to do certain things any more.)

To my knowledge, it's none of the above. To me, it makes no sense to hire Excalibur in order to phase SEN.

Moose is tired. Moose also doesn't think that's sufficent cause to hire Excalibur. Moose also is not quite sure what IP wants. Moose is also talking in third person.

Indeed, Polaris, indeed. I think that if IP wants to give Excalibur a fair shot, he should be given a fair shot. In the name of taking a chance and experimentation, I think that he should be given a fair shot.

Firstly, this is off-topic and rude. Secondly, Devilesk is suspended for a very long time. You will find much better dissenters such as Centreri, scwizard, and to an extent even myself.

I understand that Nerdy disagrees with IP's decision. The problem that Nerdy has more often than not is not with what he says, but rather how he says it.

This was something I overlooked, and I question it as well.

He speaks the truth.

This was another one of my concerns prior to Excalibur's hiring. Since he has already been hired, we will have to wait and see if this becomes an issue. As Isolated Purity told me, it can always be undone.

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The only thing that irritates me is that Moose really didn't have a say in this. IP gave him the idea, Moose disagreed, yet he went on with it.

After taking a long break from SEN and returning, a lot of members seem unfamiliar to me. This includes Excalibur. I have nothing against him, as I really don't know him that well. However, a sudden jump from a member to an administrator is rather uncalled for. It is disappointing and disrespectful to veteran members that deserve more power than they already have (Vrael & Farty are two of my choices for GMing).

Here's a deleted post of his from a month or so ago. This gives you a little overview of his attitude, and why I believe he doesn't have the maturity to hold this position. I know it's only one post, but I've seen a few of his posts like it:

No discussion took place in the staff forum concerning Excalibur's promotion. IP works independently rather than as a team with us. This has carried on as a disadvantage of our staff, as he will do anything for anybody that whines to him via MSN/AIM. This is proven by Devilesk's ability to frequently return to the forum after being unbanned and now, the promotion of Excalibur. IP's decisions have always overruled the staff's.

This will be weird. Since plans for release of Maplantis 2 are still underway, a site with an identical purpose (mapping/modding Starcraft), this means one of two things:

1. Excalibur will only be able to invest 50% of himself in both projects.
2. He will favor one over the other.

Administrating a large forum and revitalizing it, not just maintaining a status quo, takes a lot of time and work. With #1, he will be half as effective. With #2, the neglected community will take on extra stress from its lack of support. If ML2 is disfavored, being so young, it will surely die. If SEN is ignored, Moose will be forced to take up the slack or the community may fall into disrepair. Neither of these outcomes is particularly encouraging. Given that ML2 is Excalibur's baby, its young self will require far more nurturing, so I predict a preference to ML2 while SEN is phoned-in. Or, Excalibur might feel it easier to reform an existing userbase and its established code, abandoning his plans for Maplantis. Either way, there is no denying the inescapable fact that there is a conflict of interest here. In the long run, I see one of the communities dying.

I speak from personal experience. Admin is a leadership position. Leaders need focus and vision. The more you spread yourself, the less you can do. You will begin to feel it, then see it. Ultimately one project will draw you in more than the others, and that will be that.

I reserve judgment on whether he is personally or professionally capable of the job, but given his admitted inexperience, his optimistic naivety will be crushed by a bleak reality: He is but one person.

So what do we do Merrell, stage a coup?

I've been around a lot Merrell, v4, 2005. You must've been gone awhile, but I freely acknowledge SEN had about 3 more incarnations before I got here. I'm hardly a new face.

As for that post, I feel very strongly about the topic it was posted in. It was a mapping production topic where the screenshots all had the display of the shittiest hack to disgrace SC in years and this guys posts it up along with his map. He should've been tracked down and beaten to death with his own harddrive for bringing that low quality junk onto SEN. I'm not a fan of hackers, but if you're going to do something wrong, at least do it right...or something.

In any case, I've always liked your moderation and I think we share similar opinions in some regards that we can work together on. As for our differences, well, that's life.

In reply to Moose's post, a lot lighter on me than I thought it'd be.

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Hercanic, ML comes first, and it always will. SEN will go on, and ML will be there. If Moose and IP ever decide they want to retire, ML will be there. I am 110% committed to that project, and meanwhile people are worrying about me being hired here. I have maybe two weeks before ML launches, I really don't see how much damage I can do to SEN in that time frame, nor do I see how I'd much care after I have ML to worry about. But this is nothing I haven't said before.

Well Hercanic, I've have heard this from trust-worthy sources. The deal was, I give you admin but you stop doing ML 2.0. I would suppose that if that was right ML 2.0 will no longer exist, not that it would have actually existed anyway.

That was never the deal Corbo, nor would I have ever accepted such a deal. I cannot be bribed or bought.

I think I agree with everything Hercanic said.

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A jump of moderator member to administrator is perceived as quite large.

Okay, that does it; my head has been in the sand. Excalibur was a moderator?

Oh, good I'm not going crazy. But believe me, I could have overlooked that. Thanks moose

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Hercanic, ML comes first, and it always will. SEN will go on, and ML will be there. If Moose and IP ever decide they want to retire, ML will be there. I am 110% committed to that project, and meanwhile people are worrying about me being hired here. I have maybe two weeks before ML launches, I really don't see how much damage I can do to SEN in that time frame, nor do I see how I'd much care after I have ML to worry about. But this is nothing I haven't said before.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

My suggestion would be to simply absorb into Campaign Creations.

Over my cold lifeless corpse.

Okay, but you should at least agree to step down to GM for now. You do not have any reason to be an administrator as of now.

I am not here to be a moderator. My priorities are policy and community direction. That sounds a little more like an Administrator to me than a GM. I've said that at least three times already in this topic I think.

So if all Excalibur is going to do is moderator stuffs, then why not make him a global moderator?

Oh, and I didn't care to read the first 4 pages.

See

Whatever. This is a sign of the apocalypse! HEAD FOR THE HILLS!

P.S. Does this mean we can't say the word "gay"?

You can say the word ***, but it will censor it if you are heterosexual.

Wow Bronto, I never knew.

...Me either.

Here's the reason I think IP did this.

You can say the word all you want, but using it as something negative is in my opinion, offensive, and if someone were to report a post using it in such a manner, I'd be inclined to edit it.