A short statement

First of all, let me begin by saying Map Making isn't exactly a solid stature for me at the moment. Some of you may remember who I am and how I was actually committed to map making. As the years grew on, I have lost touch in Map Making and became less interested in it. I've played a lot of games since my departure from Map Making. I've never really lost the flair with Map Making. I've found myself influenced by other friends who also make maps. I've worked on this little side project for a few months until now. Commitment has glued this map to my mind, and I don't feel I will give this one up!

Final Statement
I will add more screen shots as the game becomes playable with others, at the moment it would be anytime soon. That being said in map making time spent on the map. I was hesitant at first to going public with this map, because of my time I spend on it. I do take my time, and work on it 2 to 3 hours a day. I find having such laid back commitment has allowed me to dedicated time towards this map without giving up. Considering I've had to go over like 100 triggers twenty times to fix up glitches, but I know I will get this done sooner or later. I will also say that I do not plan to release a completion date, as it may strain my commitment and eventually throw it of coarse. I will continue to update the thread with screen shots and more information.

I probably might ask for Beta testers when the time comes, so if you're interested in this map I'll create a roster.

Post has been edited 6 time(s), last time on Dec 24 2008, 7:17 am by Cayden.

Oh your back mate?

This looks fun, maybe I could test with ya one time?

Very interesting, and multimaped for the win. A lot of good maps could (Or did promise but never provided) multiple versions of terrain while having the same generic engine. I hope you do finish this, and as you said when the time comes, Id love to beta test

I believe to get it done, eventually. I have already finished the terrain for each level except zr_standoff which needs some thinking time. Other than that I pretty much need to implement the randomization system for each map and its set.

So exactly how do you get baracades (I see from the way you put it that they will be extremely usefull by the way you decribed placement of them), can they be built/purchased before hand (Dunno if your screenshot is ALL of the market yet ), or are they preplaced on the stage for the players usage?

Oh its quite simple. I've added two screenshots displaying the use of the barricade system. The barricade is an item that is in the players inventory. When the player selects the barricade, its ready to spawn exactly where the player is. But since its a powerup resource unit, I couldn't have it spawn below the players units straight away. As you may know how annoying that clipping glitch is, I didn't want players units running all over the place into zombie hordes instead of safe haven houses. The player must define a direction to move in before the barricade is set. Usually taking one grid square to move. Barricades are not pre-placed, but players can find them inside supply crates that are dropped over the map from time to time.

I have updated the map production status to 95%. I will be calling for Beta testers soon.

This looks interesting. How do the players access the shop? Can they access it anytime, or only between days?

Can the players switch weapons if they own multiple weapons? If so, the players could switch weapons to heal without the use of a health pack.

Also, considering the amount of zombies I see in the screen shots, I think forcing the player to fire would make the game extremely difficult.

Some more things to consider. . .

-Do you plan on having an ammunition system? It might make the game more intense if the players have to reload manually.
-An idea I came up with from seeing your title picture. The smarter zombies have a chance of jumping over the barricades.
-An item suggestion. You could allow the players to buy (expensive) landmines (spider mines) to wipe out a chunk of zombies. But since you force the players to attack, the players will have to manually detonate the mine.
-Can the players upgrade? If so, then maybe they should only upgrade armor, not damage.

This looks interesting. How do the players access the shop? Can they access it anytime, or only between days?
They can access the shop anytime as long as they are near a Market Terminal. Depending on the time doesn't affect ones ability to access the Market.

Can the players switch weapons if they own multiple weapons? If so, the players could switch weapons to heal without the use of a health pack.
Players can only arm themselves with one weapon at a time. When purchasing a new one, players will heal automatically and come stocked with 3 magazines.

Also, considering the amount of zombies I see in the screen shots, I think forcing the player to fire would make the game extremely difficult.
I know. Since there is a tremendous amount of zombies, I figured force fire might be something used for when there is less zombies. But nevertheless, I might not implement it in this map now.

-Do you plan on having an ammunition system? It might make the game more intense if the players have to reload manually.
Yes. I am happy to say there is a system like that. Ammunition varies with each weapon. Ammunition levels aren't exactly realistic, with the player able to shoot off 32 USP bullets without reloading until the clip is empty. With this in mind, it balances the inventory size limit of 8, with Ammunition taking one slot, each Ammunition clip gives out 3 times that of an ordinary clip for each gun. Saving the player a trip to the market every 30 seconds. So as you can see, I didn't want ones inventory full of magazines and nothing else.

-An idea I came up with from seeing your title picture. The smarter zombies have a chance of jumping over the barricades.
Well, at the moment I don't have zombies jumping barricades just yet. I might consider it in the future.

-An item suggestion. You could allow the players to buy (expensive) landmines (spider mines) to wipe out a chunk of zombies. But since you force the players to attack, the players will have to manually detonate the mine.
I would have considered spider mines if they didn't conflict with the ammunition/sound system in the game. Seeing as sounds are based off when you kill, I didn't want an over-repeated sound of the weapon you have when a spider mine kills 10 zombies.

-Can the players upgrade? If so, then maybe they should only upgrade armor, not damage.[/quote]
Yes. I have plans to add the Engineering bay into the market soon. Armor has only been considered an upgrade and weapon damage has been disabled.

I hope you got the answers you were looking for.

I haven't made it through most of the thread yet, but I got a little idea which may be completely useless to ya, but I'll say it anyhow.

If there's a bunch of said zombies, perhaps in some area you could take advantage of the following elements: left-most preference of location centering, tiny locations (not pixel), several locations, unit slowdown with burrowed recentered units.

You could have it take the currently left-most units approaching (especially if they have some point in which they travel to the right), and have them move slower... it'd be kind of like a random effect. If you have locations to spare, make a good number of them and make them recenter continually on any (zombie) unit with them, and if there's no unit within them, recenter on any unit 'anywhere' or within a certain area. That way, when the slow ones die, they would allow another one to be slowed down. You can even slow them down at different rates depending on how often you recenter, or control how many locs you use when. It also doesn't matter if one brushes past another and gains the location... that almost will look natural, rather: one speeding up, the other deciding to slow down.

I believe if done correctly, this could create a great zombie effect. You could even potentially transport them somewhere for this effect, I believe, but that might be more complicated to make the locations follow.

Ah I get what you mean. The only problem though is I'm running very short on locations and the rest are reserved for other stuff.

Recyle saves the map!

Hey that sounds good. Where can I find this Recycler program?

recycle is not a program. Instead of using locations that have only one purpose, and only stay in one spot, you use burrowed zerglings owned by player 9 or 10 or neutral. The locations can be reused by centering them on the zerglings.

i was thinking of making a map like this. but i lost it when i wiped my hard drive, u should finish it before or on christmas just for fun xD

Congrats on your return mate. I talked to you several months back about coming back (via msn) glad to see you decided to. Good luck on the map!

I want to try this map =)

Hawt.
Left4Dead-Like. Feels like Biojects "DooM" meets the popular (among noobs) "The Undead" SO HAWT.

Yeah thanks man, I hope to finish it. I'll catch you around in Battle.net.
Hopefully you will, but at the moment I'm taking a big break.

Well actually, this has nothing to do with that person. This map was completely influenced and inspired by Counterstrike Source.

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